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Comedian vs Comedic Actor: Who's Really Funny?
We dive into the line between a comedian and a comedic actor, why stand-up still carries weight, and how social platforms reshaped who gets crowned as “funny.” From Chappelle and Carrey to Drewski and DC Young Fly, we push on impact, craft, and respect.
• defining comedian vs comedic actor
• Will Smith, Jamie Foxx, and sketch-to-screen routes
• social media skits vs stand-up dues
• SNL, In Living Color, and improv lanes
• who belongs on the comedic actor Mount Rushmore
• Donald Glover’s multi-hyphenate blueprint
• streams, TikTok, and new gatekeepers
• live bomb vs movie flop tradeoffs
• 200 in-person vs 2 million online
• Jim Carrey vs Dave Chappelle for impact
• Kevin Hart: keep the stand-up or movies
• Drewski vs DC Young Fly credentials
• peers’ respect vs audience love
• value, underpayment, and owning your lane
• closing gems: mind your business, don’t force it, regulate emotions
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SPEAKER_03:Literally, bro. Hollering. What's good? Welcome back to another episode of the True to Trophies Podcast. It's your boy Ant, and I'm here with my folks, Unique Artistry. Yes, indeed. And Monte Corleone. How's it going, guys? Hey man, you know what? We're touching back on something that uh obviously y'all enjoy, right? So we're gonna bring back up the conversation concerning the Mount Rushmore. Like, during that episode, we had a little bit of a debate that we want to go ahead and finish off. So the question today is It wasn't a debate. What would you call it?
SPEAKER_04:Y'all had me walking out there with buddies on, getting ready to go to school.
SPEAKER_00:Let them go. Let them go. Let them cook. Nah, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02:Look, bro, I so you see it crosses into this. Now we now you can bring it back up into this category.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, I am. I'm sure like y'all niggas already seem like y'all beaming, right? But the question is, what's the difference between a comedian and a comedic actor? Are there comed are like are there people who exist in both worlds? Absolutely. Are there people who you would give one title over the other? You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:Would you consider people like a person who was in both worlds?
SPEAKER_03:Maybe in both worlds, but you consider them truly a comedian versus a comedic actor. You know what I'm saying? Like what would you make?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because you cause because okay. Think about Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle was doing stand-up first, correct? Or did he do his show first? Or was he just funny first? Was he a comedic actor? No, because I think we stand up first, though, didn't he? Yeah, he did stand up first. Right. And I think that that be the the the whole thing. But for Will Smith.
SPEAKER_02:He was an actor.
SPEAKER_04:He was in a comedic actor. He was just he was an artist first. And then he became a comedic actor.
SPEAKER_02:Like, but you think it matters in the I guess the order in which it you become the actor? You think you should be a stand-up comedian first before you get into acting? Considered comedian actor. To be considered a comedian, yeah. Oh yeah, if you're gonna be considered a comedian, yes. You know, but for this thing that we're talking about comedian actor, do you think you need to be a person who's acting first and has done comedy skits or comedy shows and stuff like that? Not necessarily.
SPEAKER_03:It gets blurry for me though with the comedic actor thing. Because even when we talk about comedians, because and like I guess one of the one of the sweet spots for me is when you talk about somebody like a DC Youngfly who came from like the Vine Instagram situation. Right. Even like the King Batch, you know what I'm saying? Like these cats who came from that, yeah, like they came from that, but they they ended up going to the stand-up route, so they did end up transcending over there, but people were considering them comedians before they ever made it to the stage. You know what I mean? So is it is it fair to like go one way over the other? Because when you think about it, real or of a vine, technically it's like a it's a short story, like a short movie, you know what I mean? So when we we talk about comedic actors, are like I don't know, it get blurry, that's what I'm saying, it get blurry.
SPEAKER_04:Those are skits though. So I mean, like when you think about a comedian, when they're on stage, they're doing skits. You know what I'm saying? They really just putting a few skits together and and making a show out of it. You know what I'm saying? So I in a sense they were kind of doing social media stand-up.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Essentially.
SPEAKER_03:Alright, so hold on, I'm gonna I'm gonna hit y'all with some definitions just to give us some more some more padding on the conversation type shit. So a comedian traditionally earns that title through stand-up, usually writing, timing, and performing original material for a live audience. A comedic actor delivers humor through a character or a script, not necessarily like their own jokes that they write. So they need like a director. So that's what they by definition, that's what they're saying, the difference between.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so let's let's talk Will Smith because he was the fresh prince. He was being himself. But most of the the show was written, but the comedy wasn't. Like that was him. So would that not make him a comedian? He's improvising.
SPEAKER_03:I say So he's a great actor. Yeah, and that's the thing. I would say, by my definition, I wouldn't consider him a comedian. I would say he's a great comedic actor. I think that he has great comedic timing and stuff like that. But he's good at improv. If you was to sit him in a room and say, hey, can you write some jokes and then perform those jokes? Do you think he would be able to do that? And if so, would it would he do well?
SPEAKER_04:The world will never know.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, yeah, at this point, like Will Smith way past the time. Let me ask you this then, real quick.
SPEAKER_02:It just popped in my head. Do you think he would have seceded on uh Living Color?
SPEAKER_04:Hell nah. Well, no, not it would have pushed him.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, I think it would have pushed him.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because he he yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He would have seceded on that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think what we got from Will though, bro, we gotta remember, because of the same show we talking about that gave a lot of comedic moments, he had a lot of dramatic moments, and that's what pushed him into the independence days and the You know what I'm saying, like the stuff that gave you more of the the touchy feely type of situation. Right. Like, I feel like literally that's a that's actually a great question, bro. Cause when I think about if he the let's let's say him and Jamie Foxx would have, like, I guess trained together or like been neck and neck, toe and toe, like that'd have been crazy, bruh. Like the turnout of what kind of like comics we would have done. Cause for me personally, I I don't really like like Saturday Night Live type stuff. Like I like it, I like gritty type type comedy. So like that's why I prefer like In Living Color, because they ain't really pulling no punches. Right. Saturday Night Live kind of political. You know what I mean? Yeah. When I when I think about it.
SPEAKER_02:Less improvisation is more scripted.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. And I feel like, and I feel like the people on there gotta walk a certain line. I feel like Will Smith probably would have actually done really well on Saturday Night Live. I feel like he kind of walks that line of comedy. You know what I mean? But he's versatile. Yeah, but when you think.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I couldn't see him on a living color for real.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like he would have been cool on a couple episodes. Yeah. But he wouldn't have been like a good recurrent. Stay's a staple, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Jamie Foxx would have been a staple.
SPEAKER_03:Bruh, I have y'all ever seen when he when he clumped that comedian, that comedian, uh, Doug Williams. Yes. Bro, and he was like, I'm your conscience.
SPEAKER_02:I'm your conscience.
SPEAKER_03:Bro, that's a different level of funny, bro.
SPEAKER_02:Hold on, was he on after him or before him? They was on the same show, wouldn't they? Yeah, it was a roast. It wasn't a roast of the shit. Oh, that's what it was. A roast. Who was it? It was a football player.
SPEAKER_03:I forgot who it was.
SPEAKER_02:I know, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it might have been Emmett Smith. I think it was like the roast of Emmett Smith or something like that. But bro, the the problem was the Doug dude, he said something slick to Jamie. And one thing you one thing you learn about Jamie Fox, bruh, is he don't take shit talk too well. So, like when the dude says something, he let him have it, dog. I'm your conscience. That joke wasn't funny. Do something about the channel. Like, bruh, he was on him, bruh. It was funny. I think that's a good thing. Who do y'all think?
SPEAKER_02:Who y'all think the cream cream de la creme, the cream of the crop for comedic actors are?
SPEAKER_03:That would I for me.
SPEAKER_02:That would be the route, you're gonna do the Mount Roast more for this?
SPEAKER_03:But it's hard because I people I feel like people like Eddie Murphy are both. Like, because who's a better comedic actor than Eddie Murphy? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, but even Martin Lawrence, we talked about him too.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And then, bruh, it it would end up being the same, but Will Smith would be in the world. Also, let's kill.
SPEAKER_03:There's a lot of white dudes that we we be skipping over because I ain't gonna lie. Like, I'm I'm, you know, black lives matter till I die. But at the same time, it's a lot of white dudes that got some juice, bro. Like Steve Carrill be.
SPEAKER_02:Can I make this criteria and say this then? Just kill the uh stand-up. If they have the criteria, that person has to have no stand-up. So just pretty much acting as a comedian.
SPEAKER_03:Then I mean, number one definitely gonna be Will Smith. Like, that's easy, I feel like. Because he doesn't exist in the world of stand-up. Bong. Like, people like Jim Carrey, he would be considered a comedic actor, right? Mm-hmm. He actually has a stand-up. Yeah. A stand-up. Like he, I think he literally has one stand-up, bro.
SPEAKER_02:That was like, I just wanted to do it. I just needed to do it, type. That's what that was, probably.
SPEAKER_03:But you know what? And we was uh to maybe pivot into another part of a conversation, but you know who I would consider maybe a part of this generation's like GOAT or like multi-talented person? Donald Glover. Childish Gambino.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, for sure. Cause I don't have y'all ever seen his stand-ups? He like from back in the day, like from like 2011 type stuff.
SPEAKER_02:A lot of people didn't know that was the same person either.
SPEAKER_03:Bruh. Well, he also he does look a little different. Like you look at him now with his beard and everything versus back then.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, but that's he used to cut it off. Like he used to grow it and cut it off.
SPEAKER_02:But still, the people just still didn't know that was the same person. They thought, you know, two alter egos. But he's cold though. You think about like how he music, how he got a lot of range.
SPEAKER_04:And he does multiple genres, genres of music too.
SPEAKER_02:But he ain't gonna get the credit like somebody like Jamie Foxx.
SPEAKER_03:Which is wild, right? Because you think about it, he that's the same lane. It's technically the same lane. They both have done music, have had hit records at that.
SPEAKER_02:But I don't think he necessarily grew up with people in a generation like Jamie Foxx did first.
SPEAKER_03:And I somebody somebody was talking about that, bro. Y'all know who Bookem Woodbine is? Mm-hmm. Dang, from if for anybody who's listening, it was the crazy brother from Jason's lyric that was like tripping out. He always played like kind of a crazy character. But he was being interviewed, and he said that one day. Somebody had asked him, they was like, hey, what would be one person that you remember meeting from back in the day that you was kind of surprised at, like, dang, I never expected them to like blow up like that. And he said, Jamie Foxx. And a lot exactly. So a lot of people reacted like you did. They was like, mm, wow.
SPEAKER_00:Really? You didn't see that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like, dang, what you mean? You didn't. And he was like, that's not a diss to him. That's not like a slight to Jamie, but there was so much talent back then. Like back in the 90s, there were and you you trip off how we grew up, bro. That's why we have the conversations we have. When we talk about just with from the 90s, like from 90 to 2000, you talk about the Martin Lawrences, you talk about the Will Smiths, you talk about the Eddie Griffins, you talk about, like, bro, you can literally go down a list, and that's just the people that's popular. We ain't talking about the people that was on Comic View, that was just, you know what I mean, just around the way type dudes. Like, it's a lot of cats. It was a lot of talent back then, and that's what I trip off of now. It's we so, we so, I ain't gonna say we so old, because we not old. But bro, we so over the hunt that it's a lot of cats we don't know. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's probably making noise right now. Like we, I think we was talking about it one of these days. The what's the what's the light-skinned dude you be you be following, bro? They got the the big old nostrils. But you know who I'm talking about. You're on your nah, nah, nigga. Uh, he got that character, Mr. James, and he be Oh, I You know who I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I know you're talking about. You know exactly what we're talking about. Um Mo, like Moho Brooks or something.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, Brooks. Brooks, that's his name. That's his name. But him, we we was talking about the uh what's the light-skinned dude name from Detroit? I ain't got nobody's name off the top of my head.
SPEAKER_02:But he he said the last episode. Jack Brooks. Yeah, Jack Funny.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. But like, it's a lot of cats that's like, and then just the people we familiar with, you know what I'm saying? Like, imagine who the youth is following. Imagine if we tapped in with like the high schoolers right now, like who they following online, like who they think is legit funny type of thing.
SPEAKER_02:But that's kind of like also they that's TikTok. We ain't on that TikTok too much. It's probably a bunch of TikTok comedians we don't even know about.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't know nothing about that tic-tac.
SPEAKER_03:But you know who they say got the heartbeat. Got the heart, the tick, the tic-takers out here. That's how I know nigga, oh, Italy's, bro. It's a tic-tac. It's a breath mint, nigga. I don't know about the tic-tac.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm. Tic-tac-toe.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, but they say a lot of people uh use like cosinetinum as like they they heartbeat. That's who they they kind of pay attention to him. And whoever he shout out, or whoever he got on his platform is like.
SPEAKER_02:So he becoming, he's come coming to gotta go-to for the information and kind of plug it on. Everybody using him as a go-to source to bless off on some, uh.
SPEAKER_03:But that's that's kind of what I wanted to talk to y'all about. Like, it's the landscape of comedy is changing. Now people are watching streams versus like going back, yeah. But even older folks, like Mike Ipps was just on there with Cassinette not too long ago. Now he's talking about starting his own stream. So it's like, now it's got people. You got to all levels.
SPEAKER_02:You know how they always told told, we always told our people too, and give it the times. Yeah. I mean You got to. True. If you want to stay relevant, or you're gonna be swallowed up by it. You know what I'm saying? You gotta get with it and adapt.
SPEAKER_03:So, okay, so with so let's bring let's bring the question back up. Since we've talked a little bit about different types of comedy, do you feel like you should have to earn the title of comedian by doing stand-up? Do you feel like that's still relevant?
SPEAKER_02:Yes. I still feel like it is. As if you to be respected by your, I think your peers. I think that's the main thing too, is trying to be respected by your peers. Okay. But I think they probably gonna say there's an old head mindset because a lot of dudes nowadays ain't doing no stand-up and they feel like they don't probably need to.
SPEAKER_03:But I that's what I was gonna ask you. So would you say a million people laughing online is not the same as, let's say, 300 people selling out like a comedy club?
SPEAKER_02:Because it's gonna be a that's a different animal. Is making people laugh face to face.
SPEAKER_03:Even even with that difference, you feel like 300 people in the club, a million, you get a million likes or like you might get a million likes or laughs, but guess what?
SPEAKER_04:About a million other people might have seen that and not reacted to it.
SPEAKER_02:And you only get one take. When you're recording and do these skits, you can get multiple takes.
SPEAKER_03:So you feel like it's more people paying their dues more than anything. Or what you like, what do you feel like it is? Do you feel like it's a respect for the craft type of thing? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:It's it's a plethora of things, like we always say, it's it's not just one thing that classifies you as a comedian. One thing, the one thing that like you said before, that classifies that person as a comedian is that stand-up. You know, because we've we've heard stories about comedians and the the stuff that they had to go through as doing stand-up, doing running through the chitlin circuit and all of this shit, you know what I'm saying? So it's like they had to do all of that to get to where they are. Like clocking them hours. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? They put that they put in 8,000 hours, you know what I'm saying? And and they were successful at that, and then because of that, they were able to get these shows and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? Like that's I feel like I feel like that's the criteria, you know what I'm saying? The the stand-up is like number one. All the other stuff is like extra shit.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, look though, but I could spin it like this, because I just thought about in this way. Is it not the same way of the older generation always telling us them paving paving the way so we don't have to? So it's like they did all the stand-up, opened all these doors for these other opportunities so the newer generation of comics don't have to do it. No, because Well, they still have to do it.
SPEAKER_04:They still have to do it just because of the simple fact I feel like the people who said that type of shit were also telling uh like also the ones complaining when they saw that it was too easy for us. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:Well they saw the the the amount of money getting generated now versus back then. And like you just said, it was easier to obtain.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but the comedians, the good comedians that uh capitalized on the money back in the day and see that and did pave the way for it to be easy, those comedians that's still in the game are still doing that type of stuff. Just like Mike Epps was like, oh, he saw Mike Epps is gonna get ready. Mike Epps is gonna stream and be funny. You know what I'm saying? He's gonna be himself. So he just finding another way of getting the funny out. You know what I'm saying? So is is it's different. Like, say for instance, they did pay the way, uh, and say, yes, we made it easier for y'all to do this. That comedian should still be pushing forward and doing the easy shit too. So he should be capitalizing on that the that way he wouldn't be upset about the youngins making money. But half of these niggas be like, oh damn, y'all, y'all soft, because it's too easy now.
SPEAKER_02:But you don't think that old head Mike Elps checking in by going on that stream with that young boy Kyle Sonette?
SPEAKER_04:What you mean?
SPEAKER_02:He paying his dudes right then by going on that stream.
SPEAKER_04:Nah. He already paid his dudes. Like, when you when you that big in the game, you know what I'm saying? When you you've took away. Stay relevant, though.
SPEAKER_02:To stay relevant, though.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. This is what I mean. I call it the Snoop Dogg trick, bruh. If you ever trip off, bruh, right there. Snoop Dogg on anybody's track, bruh. And it'd be the it'd be some young 14-year-old kid out of Latin America, you know? And he'll jump on their song, and it's just like, whenever you hear Snoop Dogg, bruh, you can go back to the early 90s. You find out. Why is it okay for Snoop?
SPEAKER_02:Look, no, hey, why is it okay for Snoop? Random.
SPEAKER_03:What you mean?
SPEAKER_02:To just jump on other people's tracks and other cultures and stuff like that. But as soon as somebody come out, our culture, that culture voter.
SPEAKER_03:I say this. Normally when we transition and we go to other people's culture, we still stay ourselves. You listen to like uh when Nicki Minaj transitions or stuff, we tend to bring what we are to their music. What tends to happen with them is they try to use our style for themselves for themselves, and usually it's a pivot moment. They use it until they get to a certain point, and then they all of a sudden become their real selves.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I can't but I can give you some perspective on why it's okay for Snoop to do it, though. It's because both sides are using each other. You using Snoop because you're gonna get some listens off of just being Snoop. Right? And he using you to stay relevant. Yeah. So it's a win-win. You know what I'm saying? So that's why it's cool for Snoop to do it, because it's it's Snoop.
SPEAKER_02:Like So that's why it was an issue when that boy Aubrey was doing it.
SPEAKER_04:What you mean?
SPEAKER_02:They talk about him being coach of Votary, like down here in Houston. That's different though, man. How's it different?
SPEAKER_04:Because he was he was Jimmy in the wheelchair. And we just was talking about this earlier, bro. Like he was Jimmy in the wheelchair, bro. Like he he wasn't he wasn't part of the culture? He ain't part of the culture. I mean he is, right? You you can never take Drake away from the culture, right? But when you when you sit back and look, he was never like this tough guy, like he, like we said, like talking about earlier. He had tough guy representation. You know what I'm saying? And that made him like you know how you know how you start, all right. So we all know that one dude that was corny and started hanging around the gangsters, and he thought he was gangster. Now you know what I'm saying? That's straight. You know what I'm saying? And then and then this this this little this little guy that got more swagger than you comes up and he like, hey man, you ain't about that life. And he gets to telling everybody, like, bruh, y'all ain't peeping it.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Like he go over there and hang with them, and then he go over there and hang with them, and you know what I'm saying? He point out all the he point out all the flaws, and people get to look at you like yeah, bro, like you. You kind of is a square, bruh. Like, you know what I'm saying? So you when you think about it, yeah, but like I ain't gonna pay him as a culture vulture, but hey, but that's the problem. They saying does he pay his dues? Go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03:Because hey, look, because this the this the thing. I wanna I wanna go back to what our original point was. Because I I wanna I want us to remember the difference in these two things. Cause I feel like what happens is we don't give them a name. Okay, so I want you I want us to think about people like Drewski's, Desi Banks, right? Like these people who have transcended comedians, right? They're they're funny. Because if you trip off when people introduce them a lot of the time, they don't use the term comedian. Right. You know what I'm saying? They might use the term.
SPEAKER_02:Desi has done stand-up, let me point that out.
SPEAKER_03:He's doing a lot more now. He's doing it consistently now. So I will definitely say that. But traditionally, when they got their start, they were considered just funny people.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I'm saying? But if we're not gonna call them comedians, technically people like that, I wouldn't call them an actor either. They didn't go the acting route. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but they did the Instagram skits.
SPEAKER_03:That's kind of so like, but that's kind of both worlds. It's like marrying, you know what I mean? Because the I guess that's the thing. Because a lot of what I've heard from old school comedians is they don't respect it because you get to press, you get to stop and press play and re-record. Right, you know what I mean? Get multiple takes. Right. Yeah, and then for from them, they gotta, you know, create what they call lightning on stage. Yeah, like I gotta catch it right there in the moment.
SPEAKER_02:You get to rehearse it, but it's just off the rib, it's live.
SPEAKER_03:It's it's it's pretty much live. I gotta feel the energy in the room and and go off that.
SPEAKER_02:And I hope you ain't got no heckless that's gonna kill you too much.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you know what I mean? And so for me, I feel like people like Adruski, who's arguably one of the biggest names right now, he don't really fit into a box, which I guess is good. You know what I mean? But what would he fall back on? Is he a comedian? Is he more of an actor? Is he hype man? Yeah, you know what I mean? Like what is dude?
SPEAKER_02:He a hype man.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I I guess at this point, he uh he a business owner, you know what I mean? He created all kinds of stuff.
SPEAKER_04:So So I feel like Drewski to me, he he he he became one of those people that do things for shock value. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like a shock jock. So he fall into that category for me. I don't like he he he's more like an eye show speed, you know what I'm saying? The speed dude, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:And which cause people consider him funny. People feel like like I watch him, he entertains me.
SPEAKER_04:Bruh ate a whole fucking bar of soap, bruh. For real? Yes. See, I only catch me. I don't really be watching this.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, I ain't seen it.
SPEAKER_04:You know what I'm saying? That's why that's what, bruh, like we're straight on that.
SPEAKER_02:But Drew Sleeve. Yeah, yeah. You trying to say you ain't gonna give him his respect his credit?
SPEAKER_04:I'm uh no, because I I respect look, I respect anybody doing their own thing and making money off of it. You know what I'm saying? But like in the realm of comedian, no, I can't give him his flowers. Like he he doesn't he like his funny ain't the type of funny you can throw on the stage, bruh. You know what I'm saying? If you threw him into if you threw him at a and wildin out, yeah, he might, you know what I'm saying, he might, he might be cool.
SPEAKER_03:Even then, to that, I see, I guess that to me is what makes a comedian. Because so going back to what we talked about earlier with Jamie Foxx, right? I've heard him and Kevin Hart for like an hour, bruh, on Jamie Foxx's old radio show, just roast each other. Literally just go joke for joke, back and forth. I've seen Kevin Hart go on wildin' out and kill it. We've obviously seen him do stand-up. We've also seen him do movies. You know what I'm saying? And to me, I've also seen Eddie Murphy in the same light. He don't have as many recorded moments roasting people, but I've seen Eddie Murphy get with a couple people, not to mention music, movies, you know what I'm saying? So is it more than just like if they've done stand-up or not, and can they kill it in other areas? You know what I'm saying? Because like what I find is like a DC on fly. DC code is stand-up. Obviously, we see him killing it with 85 South. We know him from Instagram and Vine, right? And then going into the wildin' out world. So like we've seen a lot of dope stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I need to see him, I ain't gonna lie. I need to see him some more like films or something.
SPEAKER_03:He's been in a couple movies, they just ain't been great. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:So I think that he needs to do, has he been good in the at least in those roles? That'd be the thing too. Movie could be trash, but you can be good in your role. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I didn't really how high too?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I yeah, no. I see, don't watch it. But like, look, I'm gonna just tell you that. But he was he was cool in that uh Christmas movie he was in, that almost Christmas movie where he was flirting with Monique.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, nah, I ain't peeped that either.
SPEAKER_03:He that was that was a cool little moment for him, but I also think it's script, bro. Exactly. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:I was about to say they might be typecasting him, you know what I'm saying, to where that'd be the problem, too. You know, like hey, go be funny. Yeah. And he might want to be the normal person, you know what I'm saying? Like they got the little funny sidelines or something like that.
SPEAKER_02:Right, like if they were to come out with that that Friday movie, like that they've been talking about for years, he was supposed to be Smokey Son.
SPEAKER_03:Mm-hmm. Bruh, he also was supposed to do it. Is that type of cast boy supposed to do rush hour? Him and Timothy uh De Laghetto were supposed to do uh Rush Hour.
SPEAKER_02:But is that type of casting him? Yeah. That type of casting him. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I would say, this is my thing. I would say, as long as he don't get stuck in it. Cause it's a lot of people who don't get stuck in their roles. It allows them to go off and do other things. But he just couldn't have done it for too long. I feel like if he'd have done one movie, it'd have been successful and he'd have gone off and did other stuff, cool. But also I feel like DC is one of the comedians who is he kind of raunchy. Yeah. So it's hard to put him in stuff because his funny is based on him being more vulgar. Yeah, exactly. So versus a Drewski.
SPEAKER_02:He know how to tone it down.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:He could be on something like a white chicks movie.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. But see, but that's what I'm saying. It had to be his part had to be written like super well for him. Alright, but so we was on that for a minute. I feel like it's a lot of good debates on comedian versus comedic actor, but I got some different this or that's for y'all, and we're gonna see kind of what side of the fence we end up on. So put yourself in the comedian's shoes, right? Would you rather bomb on stage or have a movie that's trash and it flop in the box office?
SPEAKER_04:I'd rather bomb on stage, bruh.
SPEAKER_03:You'd rather bomb like right there, like live?
SPEAKER_04:I'd rather you boom me up out of there. Rather than, hey, because the thing is, you can boom me out of there and I can go to another club around the corner. If I make a trash movie, it's out there. It's out there. You ain't getting rid of that movie, bruh.
SPEAKER_02:I can still make residuals off that bread from that movie, though.
SPEAKER_04:And good, but that's hard, bro.
SPEAKER_02:Like this could potentially mess up my tour. If I'm doing a tour, you said it was a tour, though. I'm saying though, if I'm doing a stand-up, they could potentially mess up a tour. Like, like just even like it's too risky type of thing. I'm trash here, and then they say years later I want to open up and do a tour, and they can be like, man, he was trash then. They it's and now it's this recording going around, and it's evidence of me being trash on this stage. See, I'm not sure. Versus me, I could blame, I could blame the writing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And say that's the writing right now for the movie.
SPEAKER_03:Like Ice Cube do in the butt, so it's funny because I was watching a shop and an actor dude, I think he was saying kind of the reverse, but he was talking about how he couldn't imagine having to get like an immediate reaction. Right? He was like, I get to record my lines, do my thing, let them make the movie, and then if y'all love it, y'all love it. If y'all don't, y'all don't, whatever. You know what I mean? I'm usually moving on to the next project. When you're doing it live, you know what I mean? He was talking about music art, like compare himself to a musical artist, but it's the same kind of situation. When you're doing it live, you getting those people's reactions to you like in real time. You know what I'm saying? So if they hated you looking at a hundred faces that's looking like, oh, this is trash. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's gonna become an avalanche, bro. It's just gonna be just sweating, you're gonna start tripping.
SPEAKER_02:You might trip over the wiring from the microphone. Like, come on, bro. It's gonna go downhill, bro.
SPEAKER_03:It's gonna get crazy, bro. Alright, alright. So, next question, next question. That was good. So's yours, bro. What you mean? I mean for me. You're gonna answer your own question, brother? Nah, you know, keep pushing. So for me, I'm definitely flopping in the movie, though. Cause I feel like we've we've all known an actor to have like a bad movie, or at least a good amount of actors have had bad movies and then gone off to successful movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, I would probably rather do that. I'll be honest, bro. Because of the type of artist that I am, like, because I've I've danced and shit like that in my past. Like, imagine, like, I imagine, like, I'm literally dancing and thinking about it. I'm dancing, bruh. I'm doing everything I can. I'm hitting every little move and moment I got in my arsenal, bro. And they like, boo. Just like, bruh, I'm crushed.
SPEAKER_02:Imagine you know, imagine it's your wedding reception. It didn't, it didn't go as well. Bruh. Imagine. They'd be like, you suck.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Yeah, blew his back out. Like, bruh. Even even worse than that, bro. Like, it just like, just people just unentertained. They just like, nigga, this is trash. Start you to believe it. But yeah, no, I'm definitely, I'm definitely flopping in the movie, because I can't take it. Alright, alright. So, would y'all rather say, would you rather perform for 200 people live? We gotta flip the scenario, right? But would you rather perform for 200 people live or 2 million people online? So paint the scene. You either on stage, performing for 200 people live, bright lights, big crowds, a lot of noise, you're on stage by yourself. Or you perform it for two million people online, right? So the camera's definitely on you, but you in the comfort of your own home or your own studio or whatever, you know what I'm saying? That's the thing. And you doing your thing. So I can I can quickly turn off that camera. Right, and end this live as soon as I feel on concentration said it's gonna be four hours.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because I like you just said, you gotta do with them 200 people, if they don't like it, you gotta look at them being like bruh. Like, what are you doing? 200 hecklers? You know, yeah, at least at least when you on the code. So imagine it either cut their mic off when they talk about it.
SPEAKER_02:Imagine like the Apollo. You remember how the Apollo was.
SPEAKER_03:I literally was thinking it. It's crazy you just said that.
SPEAKER_02:Walk, walk, yes, bruh.
SPEAKER_03:Imagine that. Imagine all them people get up out in the crowd and they like, get off the stage. Right, move. You'll feel like doo-doo, bruh.
SPEAKER_02:And to slide it back.
SPEAKER_03:You singing or something too.
SPEAKER_02:And it's to slide it back. So we was talking about the comedy, you know what I'm saying? Like, that would used to be like the crime de la crime, like the Apollo. If you can do it there, you can do it anywhere.
SPEAKER_03:Anywhere. Because that's the toughest crowd. You know what I'm saying? It used to be anyway. Like, you go to Apollo, that was like, shouldn't you?
SPEAKER_02:That's a rite of passage.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And it's crazy because it we it ain't phased up. Like, but all right, let's keep us moving. Cause I think I feel like we we doing good, but I got a couple different areas I want to touch on.
SPEAKER_02:These the correct answers.
SPEAKER_04:Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you. I was hey, before you go, huh? Well, if this nigga boo you off stage like that, how to hit him with the Terrence How? Yeah, I gonna do me like that, man. Hey man. Hey man, it's not mine.
SPEAKER_03:But I feel like that's what makes you a good comedian. Like you gotta flip it. That's one thing I used to love about Dion Cole. He used to come out there with a notebook and he used to say his jokes, and if somebody laughed, he'd write, like, he'll smile, he'd write it down. Yeah. And then if they if they didn't people laugh real, he'd be like, nah.
SPEAKER_02:Right, he'd scratch it out. He'd get them giggling. It probably, that's that's a you know what I'm saying, a way to go.
SPEAKER_03:Bruh, it's so funny. So it's funny that you said that because I feel like that's what makes a good comedian. You gotta be able to flip it, bro. But alright, aye. So next up, this one I feel like is gonna be a little bit more difficult. Jim Carrey or Dave Chappelle? Who do you feel like had a bigger impact on comedy?
SPEAKER_02:Don't make me do that to him, bro. I like Jimmy. Yeah. But I don't know, because then it's kids nowadays, just like I had Cutter Klein earlier, he said he's never seen Dave Chappelle's show. Or the Chappelle show. And that's so surprising to me, but why? Why is it surprising? Is it because like Comedy Censor is not really putting it out there anymore?
SPEAKER_03:I think it's more so, bro. It's kind of like Biggie. He didn't have a lot of material. It was only like two and a half seasons. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't a whole lot of stuff going on.
SPEAKER_04:I said that last episode uh in that in the what? Yeah, my rush move episode. Like you think about it, there was only a couple seasons, but you're going to see a Jim Carrey Mood. Like you're going to see that.
SPEAKER_03:Especially now with Sonic, bro. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Like you can skip over, you could, you cannot see Martin, you cannot see Fresh Prince, you cannot see none of them, but you're going to see a Jim Carrey Mood. Yep. Guaranteed.
SPEAKER_02:And this can flow into that GOAT debate, like the criteria of GOAT. It's like is a criteria of a GOAT. What you did in this short period of time. You know how they you got people who have injuries. They cold for five, like Dave Rose, cold for them few years. Got hurt. Now is he he's not gonna be, you know what I'm saying? And he got the youngest MVP ever. He's the youngest MVP ever for the NBA. But he's not considering no other conversations really because he had a short period of time of doing it, because he got hurt. So it's like Dave Chappelle, he had a short run, crushing. It was nice, but it was short. And it didn't reach the amount of people that needed to.
SPEAKER_03:And I think he received legendary status like amongst a lot of drama. So like he because during that show, I feel like it's when he peaked a lot of that stuff, like him going to Africa, him leaving the show, and stuff, all that stuff happening. It was just a lot of like drama around it. So yeah, and that and that hurt. Because you know, and you know how the black community get, we we catch a joke on you, and now that's law. They was like, oh yeah, he's crazy and he went to Africa. Like, nigga, he nigga just went to go get himself together. Like, he just went to go chill. When what? Came back in shape, came back buffing everything. Like, you hear me? Like, and and still funny, bro, still turning up the uh the clubs and everything.
SPEAKER_02:But to say, we had we we we must we want the white boy, we want Jimmy to stay.
SPEAKER_03:But I was I was like, all of that to say, in my opinion, I feel like he he probably had the biggest impact on comedy. All right. Even with In Living Color.
SPEAKER_04:Now, don't go against the grain, bro. I got to. Because when you think about impact and the things that Dave did afterwards, like his new stand-ups and and the messages that he's passing out here.
SPEAKER_03:Because all of Netflix was ready to take his head off.
SPEAKER_02:So he's living through, he's living through cancellations. Because he tried to cancel him for some of the things.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, but they they do, but they've been speaking the truth. Right. Jim is just funny. Jim ain't out here trying to get no messages, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:So I mean, I I I I have to argue that back only because he was just at like an award ceremony, giving them the business. I think I've seen that too, little clip. You know what I'm saying? Like, and so he has been known to give messages and they ask them stuff. Yeah, well, he was giving a speech. You know how you accept an award and give a speech. But that's the opportunity to do it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Versus people probably not really coming to them and asking them questions and stuff like that. People gonna ask they should appeal something.
SPEAKER_04:I get that, but Dave intentionally made a stand-up and did it. For sure. He when he does a stand-up, you already know. You wipe, you rubbing your hands together, like, yeah, but what button? You know what I'm saying? Like that's the type of stuff that that I feel like, okay, that that that is impactful right there. You know what I'm saying? Because everybody's listening to see what he's saying, you know?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And he got some drawn out jokes that at the end, where you dead. Yeah. Hey, you dead.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because he started it at the beginning of the stand-up. And then, yeah, he definitely like. But it gotta be something about that little longevity, man. Hey. But it's a recipe, bro, and that's the thing I've heard the most. Like, because I've I've considered going in the in the stand-up through different times, but like people talk about it's not just about being funny. Them cats learn, it's kind of like making a song, right? There's pieces you gotta put together to make this thing like funny, for especially for the masses, you know what I mean? Like, people find certain things funny, you gotta plug this in here. X, Y, and Z. But alright, so stand on the comedy situation. Stand on the comedy situation. Kevin Hart, the stand-up comedian, or Kevin Hart, the actor. Right? Now, mind you, like remind yourself of everything he's done. The ride-alongs, the Jumangies, the like all the stuff, all the movies that you've seen him in. Matter of fact, going back to the Soul Plains, to the Paper Soldiers, to you know what I'm saying? Like all the things, scary movies, all the stuff you may have seen them in. So you had to, let's say, let's let's uh frame it as a you got to get rid of one or the other. So get rid of all his stand-up or get rid of all his movies. So, how many stand-ups he had? He only had like two good ones, right?
SPEAKER_02:Nah, he got like four of them.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he got I I mean he's had like six or seven of them. He's saying two good ones. But as far as good ones, I'll I would say four or good ones.
SPEAKER_02:Right, to him. He's had two.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, yeah, maybe to you.
SPEAKER_02:Right. That's what he just said.
SPEAKER_04:No, that's not what I just said. Like, as far as notoriety, like as far as the question. What's your question, sir? As far as was there two good ones?
SPEAKER_03:I would argue that the masses feel like there was at least four or five. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:So if it was four to five, then I would cancel the movies.
SPEAKER_02:I don't, I don't, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I don't If it was like because I remember like two like impactful ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he waited a long time. So the last couple ones, I don't like I ain't saying they nothing, but it's like better than better than the movies, you know what I'm saying? Like but okay, no, take the movies away. Because he played damn near the same character in like every movie.
SPEAKER_02:I'll get ready to say I feel like his he was his more authentic self in stand-up.
SPEAKER_04:In stand-up.
SPEAKER_02:Them movies, bro, them scripts, I think is is watering him down.
SPEAKER_03:And I think that's why he started trying to pivot doing that.
SPEAKER_02:Bro, that that Tom Brady roast. You you if y'all ain't you seen that? It was so cringy, bro.
SPEAKER_03:I was in that whole time.
SPEAKER_02:Well, he was cooking them on there though.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, he was definitely No Hoes boy. He was getting getting busy or trying to at least as much as he could. Because I feel like it's hard to be funny when other people around you not being funny. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? That's a difficult job. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But at the same time, you can consider that like stand-up, though. Like when you roasting, like that's like stand-up.
SPEAKER_02:That's that's difficult. Because you gotta look at the room, read the room, and hopefully people them people that's in that crowd don't take it too harsh, even, you know what I'm saying? Even though sometimes they probably know they're finna get roasted, but it still be blindsided by a joke that you did not see coming. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would murder them uh movies. I would read Rum the movies.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. And it's so just so just to put it out there, the he's got four notable stand-ups. And that's what I'm that's what I'm pulling up right now. Okay. Laughing My Pain in 2011, which is crazy because Grown Little Man in 2010 would have been one for me. But anyway, moving past this, Laughing My Pain 2011, Let Me Explain 2013, what now in 2016, and then his irresponsible tour, which was in 2017, 2018. I know he's got some more recent ones for sure. And then, but for me, I got hip to him, at least in the stand-up space, for as like grown little man. And that's when he was in the black, he was talking about his son and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when I got like everything.
SPEAKER_04:So for me, it would be four, because one of them I didn't rock with. And I think that was probably what now.
SPEAKER_03:But because for me, I feel like that's the one I ain't really rock with either. Yeah. But but I okay, so just to go back around, answer the question again. What you say unique to the the question of get rid of all Kevin Hart's movies or get rid of all his stand-ups?
SPEAKER_02:Nah, get rid of the movies. Get rid of the movies.
SPEAKER_03:From okay, okay. What about you, Monte?
SPEAKER_04:Man, throw all of them in the chat. Nah, uh, just the movies.
SPEAKER_03:Just the movies.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, just the movies.
SPEAKER_03:I'ma I'ma say, I'ma agree, even though like that, that, that really grind you. What movies you like, bruh? I like, I mean, most of the movies he in, he, he, he could, like he contributes with. Uh Ride Along was entertaining. What movies you like, bruh? Ride Along was entertaining for me. Paper Soldiers was entertaining for me. Soul Playing always has a special place in my heart.
SPEAKER_02:Um That's just because that's just like an old movie that's good during that time. Later on, when you got older, you looked at how trash it was.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, absolutely. I feel like most movies like that, sadly. You know what I'm saying? But I mean, even the the little stuff he's done, he played like a thief and stuff. It was cool. I ain't watched the one with him and Will Farrell, but it's right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, throw it away. Throw it away. Put it in that drawer, that junk drawer in the kitchen. It jumped the junk drawer.
SPEAKER_03:I bet. So let's pivot. Let's pivot. Let's go, let's get into the uh the next situation. So now we're gonna get a little bit messy. Drewski or DC Youngfly. Hold on, hold on. Ooh, staying or going? Oh my bad. Go ahead. So continue. Who would you say is closer to being a real comedian? Drewski or DC Young?
SPEAKER_00:Young Fly.
SPEAKER_03:Say that one more time. Who's closer to being a real comedian? Drewski or DC Youngfly? Ah, DC. And why do you say that? Like what qualifies DC as a as a comedian over Drewski? One, because he's done stand-up already.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Okay. Um two, because he's surrounded by two great comedians that already do stand-up that can give him all the pointers in the world. And three, he's already done stand-up already. So that's one and three.
SPEAKER_03:Uh this is why I feel this way. Alright. But nah, and I I respect that. What about you, Unique? What you feel?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, uh, Ditto. But I think I'm gonna just say this though. I wanna like give him his flowers, Drewski, and in this regard. I feel like he's doing a lot of things and and bringing people on. Like, because of the tours he's doing and uh different other people he's collaboring with. I think he's doing probably more of that that we can see than DC. Would you say?
SPEAKER_03:I would see, and that's what it's difficult, right? Because for me, I feel like DC, especially since the passing of his wife, he's kind of pivoted. He does the 85 South, and then he does a lot of stuff behind the scenes. I don't really see him out and about as much. Drewski is all over every screen. Look at he on fan duels, commercials, YouTube shows, streaming. Yeah, yeah. Like the tour, he's he everywhere, bro. He was on, he helped host the Grammys or whatever that was with Kevin Hart, him passing that and uh Kevin Hart. Like, bruh is literally everywhere right now. But, and that's why I asked, like He's more mainstream. Yeah, all right.
SPEAKER_02:Like, he's more mainstream.
SPEAKER_03:And so that's not going back to our original question, right? So that's not what qualifies you as a comedian. Because he's like we just said, he's done everything. He's been on the city.
SPEAKER_02:I think DC gonna get more of the respect from like the OG comedians than Drewski for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Just because of the stand-up though, or do you feel like it's because of something else?
SPEAKER_02:Stand up under how you carry yourself. Okay. Like they probably think they probably all right, like I mean, because I want to know what you mean. They probably think Drewski lame.
SPEAKER_03:Compared to DC. Yeah, just cause Okay, and it's funny because uh look at it. No, no, no, because I wanna for the for the people who've been listening to us, right? For the people who who actually listen to us week to week to week to week, tying this back to the Russell Wilson conversation. When we talk, when we say lame, right, what does that mean, bruh? Like, you know what I mean? Like, what is your definition of lame? But that it's oh wow. But for real, I cuz because for me, right, when I say, when I say lame, just to give a simple definition, it's to say not as cool, right? So when I talk about, like, like even if you talk about popularity, you may not have been the most popular nigga in school, but on the lame scale, you was an eight, right? While it might have been other niggas who was a teen, right? So it's just it's about how cool you are or aren't. There are some niggas who lame who twos. There's some niggas who lame who fours. Oh, so you know what I'm saying? It's so like it's different levels of coolness. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04:They they in the lame, they in the lame class, and they getting on the lame scale. Just to figure out what level of lame them. Hey, come here, come here.
SPEAKER_03:Let me talk to me for a second.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, bro, you level one of lame, nigga.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, niggas like having that saying, the Dragon Ball Z sand uh radar i9, nigga. It's like that Harry Potter hat. Oh, what you what you got? Yeah, nigga, you uh you you house of lame. You go over here to the side. Hey, you level one.
SPEAKER_00:Level one house of lane. Look, give me that one. You don't even get that. He got a regular stick.
SPEAKER_04:You get a walking stick, sir.
SPEAKER_00:You get a branch, he got a switch.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, watch out. Fresh ass meat on it. But watch out the young boy that's tricky. The switch. Alright, for real though, cuz in my in my opinion, when we when we go back and we talk about all these these different arguments, I feel like it comes down to what your definition of something is. When I think about my definition of a comedian, it's somebody who was like proven, right? Somebody who who went through the trenches. Even if it wasn't necessarily traditionally stand-up, it means you went through trying to do it. You had some failed movies, you whatever, da-da-da. Because even for me, Lil Duval. I consider Lil Duval a comedian before I really tripped off his stand-up. Just because he was in people's music videos acting crazy and doing all, you know, this other stuff. Then I seen him, what was I can't even remember what the name of that comedy show was, but like him and Lil JJ was going head to head, and Lil JJ ended up winning. And I remember most of the cats that I was coming up with, we felt like Lil Duval got robbed. Like he way funnier than him. You know what I'm saying? Just off the strength. But I also feel like Lil Duval hasn't taken a traditional route with being a comedian. Right. He'd been more of a musician the past 10 years.
SPEAKER_02:I was just finna say, I ain't gonna lie to you, I ain't never, I've never seen a little Duval stand up. That's back when he had locks, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Like he had to be.
SPEAKER_04:No, I mean I've never seen him stand up. Even when he cut his hair, like he started, it it got to the point where he was capitalizing on everything. He would just, he would, he would walk out to his show, but he would do his comedy show. Yeah. Like so.
SPEAKER_03:That's when he had that big toilet chain in it.
SPEAKER_04:And then um That's just when he when he had that Living My Best Life song. You know what I'm saying? When it was popular for real, for real.
SPEAKER_03:Like he had shows on like MTV and everything, didn't he? Bro, like, yeah, he had some of some of everything pop off. But I guess that's where the angle that I'm coming from, because I feel like he gets a lot of respect, even though he didn't take the traditional route with like being a like a comedian. Full-fledged comedian. Yeah, like a comic or whatever you want to call it. Like I feel like he kind of took a different, a different lane, but he still he made it work for him. And then this it's people who, like people, like Charlemagne, the guy, it's always comedians saying, like, bro, you should, you should jump on stage, bro. You be, you know, you be saying some stuff. And then he got like that podcast with Andrew Schultz, and they be going, you know what I'm saying, back and forth, toe to toe. But we would never in a million years consider Charlemagne a comedian.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely not. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:So it's just like operating those circles too. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04:So it's kind of like you wouldn't you okay, now here's the thing. When you say you would never in a million years say that he's a comedian. Now, if he got on stage and was funny, then that's a different story. But because okay, now let me ask you this one.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:This might piss a couple people off. Welcome to it.
SPEAKER_03:Considered T.I. a comedian. And see, you know what? I haven't watched any of his stand-up.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't ask you that.
SPEAKER_03:I haven't watched that. I didn't ask you that. No, I I mean it wasn't a question. To your point, he's a comedian by profession. He literally gets paid to get up on stage. And but I think that's what we're saying. I knew you'd find a strategic way to say no. Because no, look, no, he's definitely a comedian. But I feel like that's what we're saying in the beginning. That's why it's the prerequisite. Because technically, by definition, that's the professional way to say I'm a comedian. It's by getting up on stage and telling jokes. You know what I mean? That's the only way you can say, oh, I'm a comedian. Everything else is up for debate.
SPEAKER_04:And the thing is, I don't even think he would call himself a comedian. I think he would say that he's an artist that done comedy. That does comedy. That's doing comedy. Yeah, okay, yeah. Like this is how I'm expressing my art. But but see, that that to me is a respectful, that's a res uh person who respects comedy, though.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You know what I'm saying? He knows like, hey, I ain't I'm I'm, you know what I'm saying? I'm just depending.
SPEAKER_03:But I think I remember him saying that like he had to like earn his dues. A lot of people was pissed off like that he was even there. Yeah. Like, nigga, why you using your fame to like you not even. But then a lot of people say that they they respect him now because he has, he legit paid his dues. Like he go in there and he do what he's supposed to do. He move out the way, he ain't doing nothing.
SPEAKER_04:For me, I respect it because he he not he's not being funny about rap stuff. You know what I'm saying? He actually coming up with jokes. Yeah, yeah. You know, it ain't like one time, you know what I'm saying, like you talking about stories that's that's funny being a superstar. Nah, he ain't doing that. You know what I'm saying? So I read that.
SPEAKER_03:Which is crazy, because you trip off of it, he one of them people who we always talk about, like, that nigga funny, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Like, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Like, he a funny dude.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but that's the thing, bro. You never everybody be saying, like, hey man, you should do comedy, you should do comedy. Man, the funny dude around the table ain't funny when he's standing up in front of a hundred people. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's a different type of funny. We think he's funny, but everybody don't think, bro, funny. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Because it's different being circumstantial, bro. And I think that's one of the arguments I wanted to make. Being funny ain't for everybody, bro. Everybody didn't find Bernie Mac funny. Like, we was talking at this uh when I used to work at uh Square, and this I remember this girl being passionate. She was like, Kevin Hart is not funny. I don't laugh at none of his jokes. I've seen his stand-up, da da da da. She was like going in on it. And I think I was confused. I was like, you ain't none of them. Like, but some people just don't find comedians funny, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:So certainly, like certain comedians. Some people just don't even, some people don't even think stand-up is good at all. Yeah, they'd rather just watch a movie, a comedy movie. Like, I don't like comedy movies. I ain't gonna lie to you.
SPEAKER_03:Which is which is because you think about it, most of them buddy. Like most of them hello corny.
SPEAKER_02:So I'm good on comedy movies. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Like the old the only comedy movies that I look at are back in the day. Life. Like, man. Like, look, y'all don't even, y'all don't even understand. Like, for me, Keenan Ivory Wayne is one of the funniest wins, bro.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, absolutely, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Like, dude did I'm Gonna Get You Sucker. Yeah. And Low Down, Dirty Shame. Low Down, Dirty Shame. Low Down Dirty Shame is the funniest movie ever.
SPEAKER_03:Bro, that's one of my favorites. And look, the little gay dude, rest in peace to him, bro. Cause I didn't know. He he died like apparently, I think he died before the like the screening of the movie or something. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_04:It was like Wayman, brother. Wayman. Hey, dude, hey, dude, hey, hey, they said he got shot. He was on the floor shaking his head. It was like, it's only wine.
SPEAKER_03:It's wine.
SPEAKER_04:Hilarious.
SPEAKER_03:Bruh when he hit him with that sausage.
SPEAKER_04:One one.
SPEAKER_03:No, like, bruh. Hey, bruh. That buddy had me. Hey, dude.
SPEAKER_04:Hey, look, look. Hey, hey. Roll it. Shane was in the bed. You know what I'm saying? Jada Pinkin had let him stay over or whatever. And he slept in the bed. And she was like, yeah, my friend, you know what I'm saying? He's gonna come. My friend gonna come home. You know what I'm saying? She ain't say nothing about it. Man, he woke up. It was getting all cozy, and it was a it was a wig, like a hat on it, a wig hat or something like that. And that motherfucker hopped up, like, hey. I was like, oh my God. He said, what the hell?
SPEAKER_02:Hey, bro. They need to go check out that movie. Yeah, absolutely. You ain't never checked it out. Classic, bro.
SPEAKER_03:And I think it's on Tubi for free.
SPEAKER_04:So I just watched it like two days ago.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, bro. Like, that's that's definitely a classic. Shout out to Tubi, nigga, for the movie. So, going back with the argument, bruh. To my knowledge, Keenan Ivory Wayne's has never done stand-up.
SPEAKER_04:Keenan Ivory Wayne's created in Living Color. We can skip the stand-up. But you see what I'm saying? Like, there's certain people who had.
SPEAKER_02:See how, see how you just gave him the out? Let's say it's somebody like Drewski. Never does stand-up. But like I said, he's giving other people opportunities through him, and they've done stand-up and doing other things.
SPEAKER_04:No, because Kenan Ivory Wayne. Selective Negro. Listen, Keenan Ivory Wayne was actually funny, funny, but like Drewski have some funny moments, but he not every video ain't funny to me. You know what I'm saying? Like, huh? What you mean, bro? What you mean by that?
SPEAKER_03:That's just one of his things, bruh. But like it's circumstantial. It's like, it's like you gotta plug it into the right.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, but I like so alright. So some things are funny and some things are like, all right, but you going too far. Like with trying to be funny. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:Then that was that's that's not for you then.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's not. So for me, Ken and Ivory Wayne's he can skip that. Because for me, like like how I look at Ken and Ivory Wayne's, he ain't he didn't necessarily have to do that because he birthed a lot of them people, you know what I'm saying? And it was he gave them a platform, like in Living Color, that's classic. Drusky ain't got there yet where he could where we could say that's a classic, and he put these people on. Okay, he ain't there yet. That's uh I'll have to I'll have to leave that there right now. He it yeah, that shit download me. That shit download me. But you know what I'm saying? For for and like now that you say it, I don't necessarily want to give him a pass, but it's like and Living Color was classic. So I I would say that takes place of his stand-up. Like that right there was classic. Like Eddie Murphy had a classic stand-up, that nigga had a classic show.
SPEAKER_03:Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like his producer credits, like, it's it's crazy. But that's that's like that's like I ain't even gonna go that way. I was gonna bring up a whole nother director, but in my opinion. Then we ain't gonna know. Yeah, like I'm like, yeah, y'all know him because it's old boy who uh it's Robert Townsend, old boy who played media. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So like respect. But you see what I mean? Like he got so many. But I don't even want to go down that rabbit hole, bro. Like, we do that. Don't do that.
SPEAKER_04:Cause look, my dude on 2K, he's a golden lord. All of them got golden hair.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, you remember, you remember GTA? Golden Lords. Hey, but y'all, y'all know that actor, dude. So the dude who was the head of Golden Lords, he also played Bird and the Five Heartbeats, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know who his son is, bruh? The little light-skinned Asian-looking dude from uh Green Leaf. And that used to be on Disney Channel. I gotta look it up again. You know who I'm talking about? I'm drawing.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna find it.
SPEAKER_03:Bro, like his name, like Roshan or something like that. But like I was like, hold up, that's his daddy, bro. Somebody had posted it the other day. Cause I remember him from this little Disney show with Zendaya and them on it. Like, that's when I first met him, right? And then now somebody had posted him.
SPEAKER_00:I'm like, nigga, what the hell?
SPEAKER_03:This nigga, I'm like, you it's always somebody connected, bro. Like, you never know. It's always somebody cousin or auntie or something weird, bro. But alright, so before we pivot to our last segment, because I do want to make sure we leave the people with a gym today, a gem of some sort. I got one more this or that for y'all, right? So would you say you rather won't, or you rather say, which one qualifies you as a comedian? Respect from your peers or love from the audience? Right? So would you say other comedians amening you and saying, yeah, this is a real comedian, this is somebody I respect. Like let's say Eddie Murphy come out and be like, yeah, DC Youngfly, one of the funniest people I that uh you feel like that's more important, or you feel like the love from all his followers and fans and people that that actually come out to buy his stuff is more qualifying as a comedian?
SPEAKER_04:I feel like the alright, so times have changed. Back in the day, I feel like it was peer. You the you would have to rely on your peers. Today, it's more of the audience because like you think about you think about uh Cat Williams and what he said on on Shay Shay and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? It really it really didn't tarnish either one of their careers for real. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It it didn't do anything, you know, so that ridicule from one of his peers didn't really do anything. The audience still fucked with him. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Back in the day, if Bernie didn't mess with Steve, he wouldn't have been a king of comedy.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_04:You know what I'm saying? Like back in the day, it mattered who who your peers was and and and how they felt about you, because you wouldn't have been, you wouldn't have been on it. It's kinda like it's kind of like a LeBron situation. If he don't want you on the Lakers, you ain't gonna be on the Lakers right now. You know what I'm saying? But like now, audience. Back in the day, damn. Yeah, I thought that's me, that's me and being indifferent. Just the audience, because it's all right, audience. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Cause they don't need them now. They don't you don't need your prayers to, you know what I'm saying, blow up and explode to have success. Yeah. And normally, like even nowadays, you're gonna get your respect by having the money. You know what I'm saying? So it don't even matter. As long as you wear about the fans and who your audience is and cater to them.
SPEAKER_04:You can buy friends now.
SPEAKER_03:That's that's respect, though. Because one of my favorite, I guess, I don't know, because he our age, but he's more this generation, but like Ryan Davis for me.
SPEAKER_02:He's been in he's been on my middle this whole time. I've been sometime.
SPEAKER_03:He just I like his perspective on things. It don't even be always that he's funny. It's just like I like how he he viewed the situation.
SPEAKER_04:You got a problem with Ryan Davis, Monte? No, I have a problem with what he said about Michael Jordan.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's he's more of a LeBron fan than uh Yeah, he is when they was in court. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Can't record it with him. Look, dude is hilarious. Like he's hilarious. I I ain't even gonna say I had a problem with it. Like he stated some damn good. I'm just gonna say it was a good perspective. Good argument. I'm gonna rule you wrong. I'm the judge this time. You roll, you rule wrong.
SPEAKER_03:I see. And he the reason I brought him up is because he said that he was like, from his perspective, it's more about the audience. You know what I mean? He was like, it feels good to get like big ups from the homies and stuff like that to say, like, oh, this person's a good comedian, but ain't nothing like the Here's the thing.
SPEAKER_02:It's like, why he why can't he break through? We know he's we know he's has a name and a lot of people, like I said, he got the respect for his peers. Yeah. Well, the like the older peers, but I don't think like the people that's in his group necessarily mess with him or mess with him too.
SPEAKER_03:I think that it's causing I think it's culture related. I think when we talk about the the Russell Wilsons, he's not that far on the spectrum, but he's not necessarily the hood type or the the you feel like you're gonna catch him with a blunt or you know what I'm saying, kicking it with the homies. Like he's more so like your favorite cousin. Like you're like, oh damn, my nigga, my nigga Ryan. Like who can you compare it to from an older generation? From an older gener? I don't know. He kind of him, he kind of his like a new comedian to me. Like he's like a new style of comedian. Nah. Nah.
SPEAKER_04:Because even Eddie Griffin was more like stylish kind of like So to me, I don't know him personally, but it seems as if he's not really outgoing. Like he's not, you know what I'm saying? Like he said that yeah, he's like, I'm I'm more like Yeah, he's chill. Like he ain't he ain't going to like he's a regular person that's funny. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. That's how he he acts, you know what I'm saying? So I mean, if if that's how he wants to be, that's he really not gonna show that.
SPEAKER_02:Also, he's trying to, I guess, do it a different way. I guess Netflix was trying to underpay him for special, and now he's doing like all his stuff for free online and everything. So he's trying to go against the grain. So that's the mis that's the thing you're gonna get some going.
SPEAKER_03:He's gonna make an impact. He just probably won't be as big as his talent would allow him to be because he's not gonna fold. And I I respect that about him. Like I like that about him. Listen. But I think that fold, you gotta fold. It's just certain things.
SPEAKER_04:Listen. Everybody saw Callan, Callin Capernate. Yeah, yeah. You wanna A. You wanna you wanna live with purpose or you wanna die for a cause?
SPEAKER_02:That's how I look at it. Are you telling me to shut up and dribble?
SPEAKER_04:No. But I'm I ain't telling you to shut up. I wouldn't say this is yeah, because it's it's like don't shut up and dribble, but like some people put themselves out there and and and my thing is this, they put themselves out there for the hope of change. But in reality, shit don't change. It don't. The shit gonna happen over and over again. So you can be that person, like, yes, everybody's gonna know who Colin Kaepernick is for probably probably like the next 20, 25, 30 years. But eventually that shit's gonna fade away. All that kneeling, that shit, that shit just stopped. And it like a lot of people don't even remember that shit. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:I think the goal is is for it to create a conversation. And create conversation creates change potentially.
SPEAKER_03:I think that's what he cares more about too. Like, cause not everybody cares about the notoriety part. Because what and hopefully I'm not quoting brother wrong, but I I could have sworn I heard him say he gets to do what he loves and like provide for his family. And that's kind of enough. You know what I mean? Like he's gonna be able. Okay. But he was like, I don't really need to be, I don't have to be like the biggest comedian in the world, type of thing. Which, because I can I can relate to that. Because I've all all I've wanted is to be able to afford the things I want to be able to do. Like I ain't really worried about being Uber rich, having a big yacht, you know, a big mansion.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but that kind of contradicts what he's fighting for. If Netflix underpaid him.
SPEAKER_03:I think that was more about knowing his his worth of the product. Because it was because I don't think it was like, oh, they gave him one million when he was worth 10. I think it was like some severe underpayment bullshit. I think it was like almost disrespectful type shit.
SPEAKER_04:Just okay, but you just said, you just said, as long as you good and you able to provide, like, I get it, I get it though, because it's like it's a it's a it's a it's it seems like disrespect at this point. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Cause and then you gotta think about it, because I think he he gave the pretends to be creating the example of his daughter too. Like he was, yeah, he was like, look, like this is a I'm making a decision for my next generation. So I'm showing her like this is how I'm doing, and he not like just to have Netflix, just to say, like, oh, I'm going to Netflix. Yeah. Like I'm gonna I'm gonna say yes to this. Like, I think that's how he framed it. So it was more about like the lesson that he was talking about during that.
SPEAKER_04:But dog, you know, all right, so put it like this, bruh. You know what I'm saying? Like, we've both hired people before. Yeah. Right? So when you think about the person that comes in and acts all nonchalant, but their resume shows it's it's immaculate. But we like, all right, we gonna give you a try. Now, if you come in here and overperform, we got you. We gonna pay you. Now, Netflix could have did the same thing. All right, cool. Because you so nonchalant and you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know how this is gonna do. Yeah. So we gonna pay you this. They might not have even said it. They might have been like just behind the scenes. We're gonna do this. We just gonna see how it's gonna go. Let's see if he accepts it. And he was like, hell no. But it's like, bro, you ain't showed me nothing. You know what I'm saying? To us, yeah, he goes, he's cool. But to them folks, they like, we don't know who you are, sir.
SPEAKER_03:And I think that's what that's what the crazy part was, because even statistically, his audience is more mixed. Like his audience, you know what I'm saying? His audience is more, it's not necessarily like a traditional black audience that doesn't cross over, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:That was how that was totally totally high. Right.
SPEAKER_03:And no, you good. It was just funny that he talked about that specific thing, because I think other people thought about the same exact situation. They were like, okay, well, maybe they don't know who you are. And he was like, eh, it's kind of hard to say that when I have 10 million here, and you know what I'm saying? Like all these other numbers that Yeah, but that doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_04:We already know that by based off what Monique was talking about about Netflix. They don't really care about the numbers that you have outside, you know. First of all, I don't know what the hell they care about because Netflix ain't never called me. But anyway. Hollering. But no, I'm saying, like. Just send us an email. Yeah, send me, send, send, send, send Trenches the trophies an email. You know what I'm saying? Send us an email and we'll talk about, you know what I'm saying? Shows and shit. Like, but we're gonna take whatever the hell Mr. Davis didn't take. Like, yeah, it's enough for us. No, I'm joking. But anyway, what the fuck are we talking about?
SPEAKER_03:All right, but no, I feel like this is a perfect time because I we had some good arguments, and I think that we made a lot of good points on like what we feel like a comedian versus a comedic actor is, and and really dug into that. So, if you listening, appreciate you sticking with us. We about to pivot into our last segment. Uh, and the last segment is gems, just something nice for the people to hold on to, something that's related to the topic if you can. If not, just something something good for the people to chew on. What I got for the people. Anybody got anything off the top of their mind? Nah, man.
SPEAKER_02:This week, because I can only go off, I guess, this week. If that's how I'll be dropping my gym, but it's been copesthetic. I just wanted some things that I've seen on the internet, and some things I've uh seen in everyday life is kind of mind your business. Like, you know, like a lot of people insert themselves into certain situations and then it can explode into other situations that you didn't see coming, and now it's life-changing. So I think see something, say something always, but if you ain't got it and gotta get into it, mind your business. I'm weak. Mind your business. I ain't gonna go too much into it with you know the stuff that I've seen and stuff, but just mind your business.
SPEAKER_03:I rust with that. So if I had to leave the people with a gym, I say don't force it. Right? Don't force it. Like why? Cause what I what I find, right, is like so one of my favorite things for people to do is to take a moment to reflect. I feel like anytime you do something, especially if you do something new, it's a good idea for you to take a moment to reflect on the situation and even just ask yourself, like, did I enjoy that? Do I feel like that went well? Whatever the case is. I feel like that's a that's a good note. And so when it comes to anything, when it comes to that interview, when it comes to meeting somebody new, when it comes to like any new chapter in your life, don't force it. Just allow it to be exactly what it is. I feel like so many times we try to fit into the perfect mode because we want to be accepted or we want to like get it right that we forget to be our unique selves. So we don't get the full lesson. Cause we pretended to be somebody else. So the lesson is for a different person that we was trying to pretend to be. It wasn't really for us. You know what I mean? So if you go into this, you remember nothing else, remember, don't force it. Alright, Mante, you got something for the people?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I'm gonna give y'all I'm gonna give y'all something that somebody gave me earlier this week, you know. So regulate your emotions, you know what I mean? Like some people allow other people's opinions or false statements to like, you know, upset them and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? But if you know who you are, you know, you shouldn't be emotional about what somebody else says to you, you know what I'm saying, or or care how much someone else thinks about you or something like that. So, you know, just regulate your emotions, man. Relax, relax, calm down, and think about, you know, whether it's worth it to either crash out or even say something back to a person that don't know what they're talking about. You know what I'm saying? So regulate your emotions, regulate your emotions, man.
SPEAKER_02:What about my respect, Monte?
SPEAKER_04:Man, get your respect, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:So, this has been another episode of the Trick to Jokers Podcast.
SPEAKER_05:We out it's a good one.
