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Cool or Corny? The Price of Being Russell Wilson
We explore the evolving definitions of what's considered "lame" in Black culture, from Russell Wilson criticism to Young Thug's leaked prison calls and questions of personal identity.
• Breaking down Channing Crowder's comments on Russell Wilson and what constitutes "lameness" in today's society
• Examining how our definition of "lame" changes as we mature from superficial judgments to character assessments
• Analyzing Young Thug's leaked prison phone calls and his criticisms of other artists including Future, 21 Savage, and Young Glorilla
• Discussing the complex dynamics of loyalty, "snitching," and street code in the context of the YSL case and Gunna's plea deal
• Debating who should pay on first dates and how it reflects on leadership and relationship dynamics
• Exploring Raven-Symoné's stance on identifying as American rather than African-American and the broader implications for cultural identity
• Sharing personal perspectives on the importance of knowing your history and teaching children about their heritage
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all right. Welcome back to another episode of the trenches of trophies podcast. We've been gone for a minute but we back now. We bike, I'm bike, all right. First episode since a lot of things have changed. I done had a little one. You know, life be lifin uh, congratulations, brother, congratulations appreciate you.
Speaker 1:Speaking of appreciation, I want to say I appreciate all of our people who continue to listen to episodes. While we took a break, we haven't released the episode in like three, four months, something like that, and the number's still been running up like we've been getting downloads like crazy. So shout out to all y'all who stand consistent appreciate it today or tonight, whenever you're listening to the podcast. We're gonna jump into some things that, uh, I feel like it's gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna set the tone for what this new season is going to be about. For sure, for sure. So, starting off, we was just laughing about it before everything got started.
Speaker 1:But this, this guy, channing Crowder, bro, this guy, channing Crowder and his comments on Russell Wilson. So there have been so many quotables. But before we, before we get too deep, I also want to connect that, like he not the first one to say this, so a lot of people are like treating Channing Crowder like he's a villain because he's passionate about what he's saying. But it's a lot of people, unfortunately, like ex football players who have shared, you know, locker rooms in the field with bro and they say they feel the same mindset.
Speaker 2:They got the same mindset a little bit.
Speaker 1:But I so one. I'm gonna start with this quote. So one of the things that Channing Crowder said, he literally was telling bro he said he's a fucking duck. I don't care what he does, he's lame, Right. So that to me speaks specifically to I'm not talking about his behaviors, Right. So that to me, speaks specifically to I'm not talking about his behaviors, Right. Like I'm not talking about how good of a father he is or how good of a husband he is. I just feel like he's a lame person. Right Now, before we get into how we feel about Channing Crowder's comments specifically, what do y'all feel like is lame? Like what would you qualify as a lame person? Like you was around somebody, y'all was kicking it, whatever. You was introduced to a new group of dudes, what would be like nigga lame. Like what would make you say that?
Speaker 3:Lame to me is it's not Russell Wilson. Okay, lame to me is the dude that we hanging out with and he goes and he trying to get on all these females and every time somebody shut him down he like oh well, you know what I'm saying. Like like he going off, like that's lame to me.
Speaker 2:Or that dude that's been around a bunch of females, and then he start getting out of pocket and how he normally act.
Speaker 3:Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He want to be extra aggressive, with all his homies trying to fight them in front of a female but no one with just his homies. He'll be kicking back and chilling.
Speaker 1:Do y'all feel like your definition of lame now is different from your definition of lame back in the day?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What would you have considered it to be back in the day? Do you feel?
Speaker 1:like it's more reflective, okay, it's more reflective, okay, and I think that's all right. All right, so that's what I want to deal with. Right, because I feel like there's a definition of culture, the culture that they would say what's lame and what's not, and then maybe how you feel as an individual, if you feel like this person is lame or they're not, because I feel like lame for the, for us, for the people in the black culture or hip-hop culture, however you want to define it, lame was always like how you dress, how you presented yourself, like the type of games or like movies and type of stuff you was into, like like the cats in high school that had their own table, was playing yugioh and pokemon cards and stuff like that. That's what we used to label as lame. Right, they ain't had nothing to do with their individual personalities or how they showed up. It just was like you, niggas, is that the lunch table playing?
Speaker 2:yugioh. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It was just like them dudes is being themselves bro, the most confident ones.
Speaker 1:That's the crazy part. Everybody else was trying to be the same type of person. We all was wearing the same clothes with same music, trying to do the same type of thing.
Speaker 3:Like you know, I'm saying they was individuals they had a high level of attention to detail as well, because to learn all of those things and play those cards the way that they did, like the reason why I didn't want to do it, a lot of people didn't want to do it. It was really complex. You know, you had to learn all of this stuff about cards and stuff, but that is definitely lame. That was lame to me back then, but like so you're gonna do it now like what you said.
Speaker 2:It was lame to you back then, so are you going to participate now?
Speaker 3:hell, no, all right. So what? I'm not gonna go play yugioh cards, but but why?
Speaker 2:not, let's say if my.
Speaker 3:If my son or my daughters was playing it, I would encourage it at this point.
Speaker 1:I think that's the difference, though, because even when Fred responded to what Shannon was saying, he was like he got a son that's on the spectrum and he feel like he pushes everything through. That lens right Like, look at what my kids are going through.
Speaker 1:So, I feel like you personalize it when you do it like that and the whole thing with being the lame, is it? It's more like what uh ryan said. So I don't know if y'all call ryan uh clark's comments, but he was saying there were different times where different things were considered lame, right?
Speaker 1:so like it is, it was kind of like generational yeah, like, like we remember we was talking about the other day Jaboz, like there was a time where Jaboz was the toughest thing walking and then there was a time where you got all Jaboz. You know what I'm saying. It's a different vibe, so I do agree with that side of it. I think that Lane OK, and I'm going to answer the question for myself Lane to me has always meant like not socially acceptable Right myself. Lane to me has always meant like not socially acceptable right, like there's a bar that we consider socially acceptable and that's in any, any situation, even in like little white schools. You see it on disney movies and stuff. Like there's the elite athletes then it's like cheerleaders and popular kids, like you know what I'm saying. And then you got like the theater kids and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like funny, as them shows they have bullies and the bullies was like a different group. Yeah, bullets was like growing up A lot of time. The bully was at least the bullies was the cool niggas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the cool niggas made fun of the cool kids, but that's what we would have considered lame. I do think, though, as an adult, there are lame qualities that I think kind of bridge the two classes, like uh, like there's social awkwardness in general, like you, kind of just socially awkward, you don't really know how to navigate like a conversation with just normal people. That makes you seem quote unquote lame. Right, you know what I mean to you now, to me, I don't use the term lame, I don't really care. There's people I gravitate to and people I don't gravitate to.
Speaker 2:So, as of right now, you don't have a definition of what lame is to you now.
Speaker 1:I mean, lame to me is people like fathers who don't show up Stuff like that.
Speaker 2:That's dead meat though?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but even so you're trying to say the same thing. Yeah, Like DJ, Envy was like uh, corner boys are lame now and I would, I would. I wouldn't strongly agree as much because I feel like a lot of people don't have as many options, but I do understand that we don't live the same way we lived in the nineties and there are a lot more options than just being a corner boy.
Speaker 3:Me personally, my definition or my example of somebody that's lame is somebody that's bigging up something stupid Like oh bro, I got 50,000 guns with 200 million bullets.
Speaker 2:Like I'm like, yeah, that's lame as hell. Good for you, right, right, that's lame as hell.
Speaker 3:Good for you, bro. Like what you know, that's lame to me. You know what I'm saying, but I don't consider russell wilson as lame. Like to me. Channing crowder is a little immature for saying that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, I mean he said I feel like his perspective on a lot of things are you saying lame for saying that?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, yeah I wouldn't call him lame I feel like his no his approach is Monte said like, but I, I so.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like there's any credit to the fact that multiple people have said it, and a lot of them being, like ex-football players? You know what I'm?
Speaker 2:saying so it goes into that category. We was talking about what you mean, like you breaking it up to them groups, the football players, like you feel like it's more too specific to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so okay. So what do you think would have been different, though? Because, like, in my opinion, when you think of somebody lame and you playing a sport with them, that's a hell of a judgment, because, like thing, so how did you display lame behavior?
Speaker 3:but he was saying stuff like putting moose in his hair and wearing tighty-whities and stuff like that, and that's the thing that like he, he looking at him, like you, a grown man doing those type of things and it's like what's wrong with that grown man doing what the fuck he want to do?
Speaker 1:how he was raised, or whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's wrong with him not wanting to go out with y'all and go home to his family. You know, I'm saying he don't want to spend all his money at the club and do what y'all doing. That's like. It's kind of like he was like look I, yeah, I'll go do your thing, I want to go home, like. You know, I'm saying like, and he like bro you lame as hell. That's how it seem.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying that's my perspective on how he's making it seem yeah me, as far as like lame I've never really used that word, like even today I'll be saying things like this is goofy. As far as the characteristic of the thing that you're doing, like you're just a goofy person. I'm not calling you a lame person. You do something that's weird or something that's off the rails to me. I'm not calling you lame, I'm just saying that particular thing that you're doing is funny or goofy or weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean he definitely an old man for bringing that turn back. That's like what niggas be saying tight Like drop it, drop it. He goofy. He's a goofy a person who is lame like nah man dude, he's just more proper bro yeah, kids taking care of somebody else, child you know what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's another thing we can. We can talk about it that's a whole another situation.
Speaker 3:You saying russell, wilson goofy he do some goofy things.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying like he engages in goofy things, like he does huh, like what his?
Speaker 2:just his mannerisms, just like we was talking about this guy. Go yo. You saw his mannerism and you that's totally different how I couldn't.
Speaker 1:I wish I could bring up exact moment now you know, I'm saying but I've definitely seen moments like nah, he goofy, you know that's, that's goofy, you know I'm saying but he's the proper black kid, though he was the kid who grew up more you know, speaking well, and his behavior Like he didn't. Just like how we kind of categorize white folks sometimes, like we don't expect rhythm, like when they have it it's like, oh, but we don't expect that right, there's a quality that they have, quality that they have. I wouldn't say like all white people are lame, but the way that they approach music or dancing sometimes it's kind of questionable.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So it's like I got a client that has a funny laugh, a goofy laugh. I'm not calling them lame, but it's definitely a funny laugh as soon as you laugh, I'm gonna laugh with you. You know what I'm saying. It's gonna sound like I'm laughing at you, but I'm laughing with you because you're laughing.
Speaker 1:But I feel like that's part of the culture and I think that's the thing sometimes that we struggle with is that culture says one thing like the culture has always been a very particular way. One thing I can say about black culture is that, like we rarely evolve in our thought, like we always coming up with new dances, new trends and stuff like that, but the way that we kind of categorize it has always been the same. Right, like you gotta have this pair of shoes to be cool. Right, you gotta have this type of dress on to be cool. Like you know what I'm saying? Like we've always been those types of people and I think, going back to the podcast and quote new, I think it does have a lot to do with the fact that that's just what black people are. We always have been the trendsetters, we always was the cool people in the room, like you know what I mean. But at the same time, do we have to hold all of us to that standard, because that's when we start getting into you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:it's like okay, well, it's supposed to be cool people and uncool people.
Speaker 3:That's how you know you different from a mom you know what I mean funny people and people that's not so funny like but. But see, I had awkward friends like that that just wanted to play the video game. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we was just cool and that was pretty much our relationship. You ain't call them lame, you know.
Speaker 1:But that's a. I will say this, though. So at home we was cool, we was just friends. At school, though, there was the box I was in, yeah, and they were in the box that people would have considered lame. I was in, yeah, and they were in the box that people would have considered lame, you know what I'm saying, Like not that I would have necessarily placed them there.
Speaker 2:So did you kick it with them outside of school?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, but I kicked it with people who were considered lame in school.
Speaker 2:I never was the type of person who like secluded from people.
Speaker 1:I was always middle, but I wasn't considered a popular kid, you know so.
Speaker 3:Yeah, same, but I did too. I kicked it with some of the unpopular people you know, and I was popular, so my popular friends didn't care.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:What they gonna say you can't be popular no more, and you know I'm saying so. And with, with chan and crowder, it's like he was the person who was was the one that was part of the group and was like, nah, if he hang with him, then he can't come back yeah, I mean bro judging them off his draws bro bro he said, because he got tighty-whities on, I just didn't wear white drawers.
Speaker 2:The little ones.
Speaker 1:He said the little ones, bro, all right, so enough on them. I think we all agree that one call another grown man. Lame is not necessarily not vocabulary, right? Nah Use? A goofy Goofy, but also there are socially acceptable norms that we should be aware of, like we. We know that that stuff exists, so I want to pivot a little bit now. This been going crazy in the media as well. Have y'all listened? How many of the young thug calls have y'all listened to? Have y'all listened to all of them? Just some of them?
Speaker 2:several, I mean all the ones that have been. If I listen to it probably if I miss, probably one or two. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But pretty much how you feel, Montay. You feel like you're on the same token.
Speaker 3:The only one that I didn't hear was the one with Savage Okay, that's the one. I ain't hear that one.
Speaker 1:And I think that's cool. I ain't going to necessarily try to talk about some of the ideals that Thug has, because if you watch the the interview he just had with Matt, he was talking about how he used to look up to Lil Wayne and he used to look up to like the hot boys and he used to have this like outlook on life and then after his brother died, after his brother got killed in front of him, he switched Right and then that's when he started looking up to all the cats in the neighborhood. He's like the steppers, the niggas, who was really, you know, standing on business in the neighborhood. Yeah, and I feel like that ties directly into what the culture or what you know what we would have considered growing up as lame versus cool, like it was usually based on somebody in the hood or in our school that we looked up to, like they was doing certain things or engaging in certain behaviors, and we was like, yeah, that's who I want to be like or that's who I'm going to model myself after. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So, when it comes to these like young thugs' behavior, what he was saying because Mack was challenging him on it he was like I feel like you ain't learned that. I feel like you've been doing that. You didn't realize when you got off that you were supposed to change your behavior. You're supposed to not be out here dissing cats and blowing up the spot and doing all this extra stuff. You're supposed to take that as a blessing, right? But Doug was telling me I feel like that's because I'm just now realizing how like messed up I am. Like I didn't realize this whole time. But like the people, I looked up to the stuff I was engaging in. I never looked at that as bad. I always looked at that as cool. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what people around me was doing.
Speaker 2:It's not trauma, it's normal.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So for him he equated it to cool points. You know what I'm saying. Equated it to cool points. You know what I'm saying? That's what the the dope catch in my neighborhood was getting into. So when I think about now, like what we would have considered lame back in high school versus what we consider cool now, is the same issue that we say Channing Crowder got he looking at it as in we got cool points to give out to grown men and thug unfortunately operate on that same wavelength and that's why he feel like he was spazzing the way he would. You see what I'm saying. So how y'all feel, about that.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to connect those two things. For me it's two different situations, because bro was in jail and watching people that he did stuff for turn, not even turn on him. They just was speaking on stuff that they shouldn't be speaking on. You know what I'm saying, especially on the stand, and you gotta think about you that you have to put yourself in his shoes for a second. I don't give a damn what they said. When I get out of this courtroom I'm at them like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:That's because of his mentality, you and you all, right, so I'm gonna wrap a whole bunch of shit in here. His mentality going into jail, he was the man he was changing before all of this, right? Yeah, all he was doing music on music, on music, getting out of the streets. I well, I'm not gonna say that because I don't personally know, but it seemed that he was getting out of the streets, right? So then you lock him up, and we all, as we all know, in the prison system, they just lock you up, bro. They don't do nothing with you. You know I'm saying so.
Speaker 3:Now put a person who was trying to change and get away from this in a in in a box and you doing it for stuff that was done a long time ago. That's going to piss you off. And then you got all my partners in here telling on me oh yeah, I'm mad, I'm pissed, you know what I'm saying Like, and then at the end of the day, when you in the courtroom, you ain't got nothing on me. Y'all don't got nothing on me for real. The nigga had to cop out on a plea for nothing. Yes, I'm pissed and I'm finna, go at gunner. Because nigga, yes, ma'am you telling these folks, like he said on the call, bro? He said, bro, it wouldn't even be no rico if that nigga didn't plead to that. It wouldn't have been no Rico. He, the one who said it was a game and all of that shit. It started with that nigga. Like motherfuckers, don't be paying attention to that.
Speaker 2:Refresh my memory though real quick on that case. I know you watched more than I did in that series, so they used Gunner's statement against Thug.
Speaker 3:So they couldn't use his statement against him. But because he said that ysl was in reference to gang or something like that yes, ma'am, like that was like okay, we got to go ahead was he the only one that did? Hell. No, it was a couple of them that, but I put it like this it was a couple of them that said it, but they danced around that shit. You feel me like he. It was in there and he said yes, ma'am, like it was, it was verbally said, like what I heard.
Speaker 2:I thought I think because of his plea, I thought he had to say the answers either were yes or no.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but here's the thing, true, but you got your lawyer standing there. Why would your lawyer even have you say something like that, knowing that it's going to affect everybody in the party and you being the person who control your lawyer? But I'm not saying yes, ma'am, to that. You know what I'm saying you. I know it's a big thing about you. Know what I'm saying you. I know it's a big thing about you know what I'm saying. Standing tall and stuff like that, bro, I ain't gonna say, I ain't gonna say that, bro, like seven months or eight months, that that he was locked down, brother, he wasn't going through it mentally. But at the same time, bro, you, you not thinking about everybody else, that's on this case, bro and you saying things that are going to, I mean, hurt everybody. On this case, bro. That's like you thinking about yourself and then get out and be like, yeah, bro, like we cool, no, bro, like no, you don't. And you will piss me off even more because you my homeboy and don't understand what you did was fucked up.
Speaker 2:Who you think paid for his lawyers he did who gonna gun hell?
Speaker 3:yeah, he ain't broke hell. No, they probably paid for their own lawyers his assets is froze.
Speaker 2:Who in it from the uh government? He had access to his assets.
Speaker 3:Yeah all right. So you know I mean you got.
Speaker 2:You got ti, you got mariah, you got savage you got baby.
Speaker 3:You know whatug yeah, alright, so you got you got TI, you got Mariah, you got Savage you got Baby. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like you got all it's a narrative going around. I'm not saying I agree, I'm just bringing this stuff up cause it's a narrative going around that Gunna was the one paying for thugs lawyers when he got out okay, so that's also why he kept quiet on a lot of things and let it play out, because little did y'all know, I'm doing this for this man. I'm going to bite the bullet, but I'm doing this for this man.
Speaker 2:I'm going to let y'all bash me and all that, but y'all don't know that I'm actually trying to get out of the situation.
Speaker 3:All right, cool, check this out. We go rob a bank and you tell on me and I get out nigga, don't offer me, don't, don't try to help me while I'm in jail, because you because you done ran off with the million dollars, nigga, and told on me no, it ain't cool, it still ain't cool. I don't give a fuck if you got all the money and pay for my lawyers, hell, no, that make me even more mad, because, nigga, that make me feel like you guilty. I'm gonna fuck you up when I get out of jail.
Speaker 1:Like that'll piss me off bro.
Speaker 3:Like oh now, because first of all, my shit froze in jail. If your shit ain't frozen, you should have been taking care of my shit, just because we partners like that and I got your back. That's how it go If you get out and you wasn't doing it before you like yeah, I'm a cash out on, bro, man. Hold on, keep that in your pocket, bro. You already said yes, ma'am. A thousand times, bro, it's over with you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Like I mean, I get you because a lot of that, that's the perspective. The guy Right, he literally asked. He was like what grown man is going to respect it? Like what grown man is going to respect it? Like what grown man is going to respect that move and be like I, yeah, I'm cool, I'm cool with him, with him doing X, y and Z Right. But I say this do we really care? And I mean like.
Speaker 1:I want to be honest, bro, cause there's a lot of cats Like we again, as the culture, way right, but as individuals, when we hear these things, especially about celebrities, do we actually give a damn like, actually, for real, for real. Okay, look, I'm gonna preface it by saying this there are a lot of cats. Let's go all the way back in time to the chief keep song niggas feel away, bro. Do you remember with the king von and shit? Like bro, niggas feel away. Sometime when this, when this rap stuff come out, bro, cats pick sides and they really feel like no, if that, nigga, do this, bro like and we'll fight over it.
Speaker 3:Type shit, listen when thug went to jail, yeah, I felt that shit because of my past and me trying to change. And I I listened to his music. I even defended the nigga when he was wearing a dress because it was publicity oh, you see I'm saying like I, it's just, bro, you can't, I just.
Speaker 3:But you can't go in the street from the street and put on a dress and niggas not fuck with bro. Like niggas did not say nothing about that, like they was talking on the internet, but you ain't. Nobody would go up to Young Thug and be like, hey, bro, what's up with that dress? It was going to be a problem. You see what I'm saying. So for me that was publicity. You know what I'm saying, so I rock with that. I also think it was expression.
Speaker 1:So and the reason I feel that way is two different, two different things. One, people like Dennis Rodman, because when nobody have said that shit to that you know what I'm saying I think that to this day we're going to leave that nigga alone, you know. But also I know the interview is new. Now I was going to say, bro, bro admitted up to, and like having to wear his sister clothes, like literally waiting for her to get done with school to wear his sister clothes. So I kind of feel like in an artistic kind of way. That's him saying, like I've had to wear girl clothes before. Like you know what I'm saying, like this is like this way of like telling a story type of thing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:But he also wanted to stand out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, story type of thing, you know what I mean. But he also wanted to stand out. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. He was the only player in the nba that had like 11 piercings. But yeah, oh, okay, I'm yeah, you right, I ain't know that my fault. You talking about robin too, man, my fault.
Speaker 1:Look, look, let me get better at my storytelling so when I run that back, I'm gonna run that back right. So on dennis robin I was just talking about, nobody was gonna step to that nigga either, based on the way that he normally holds himself. Now, pivoting back to Thug on that interview, I know it's new information so I want y'all to go back and find it. We'll probably bring this back up. But he was saying he was literally waiting for his sister to leave school because he would have to wear her clothes. He was talking about how he got like 15. It was like 15 of them and so he grew up in the project. So it wasn't like they had a bunch of stuff. You know what I'm saying and, as somebody who has all sisters, my mama definitely tried to put me in my sister's old jeans and stuff. I wasn't having it. You know what I'm saying. But at the same time I could see how that, unfortunately, is a part of his lineage.
Speaker 2:I'm laughing because I'm sorry, bro. I'm just trying to picture this cat putting them on and like them was not fitting the same.
Speaker 1:Bro Boxing and stuff bro Like like. Why this hug in my hips, bro?
Speaker 2:I'm good, it don't feel right.
Speaker 1:Bro, this the importance of fathers in your son's lives. Right Like because moms got different boundaries. That's how I say it. They got different boundaries. Moms was like, hey, nigga, they jeans Put. They got different boundaries.
Speaker 3:Moms was like hey nigga they jeans, Put them jeans on. That was back in the day. That was back in the day, though I mean.
Speaker 1:But jeans were also like, yeah, girls' jeans, even back then, was like kind of masculine. They wasn't necessarily, but still nigga, no, straight up and down. I was like nah, bro, I saw Pivot Story, right Nigga, while I was going to. It was a skate party. I remember from my track team my mom tried to put me in my older sister's some of her shorts. Bro, them mothers was hugging my hips. I refused, I sat on the couch.
Speaker 3:I sat right there, Nope, nigga not going I refused to go. Bro, I ain't never dude, I ain't bro, I swear to.
Speaker 1:God, bro, cause I got two older sisters, so I'm surrounded by women, so she already buying a lot of clothes for the girls, right, and then think about it, dude, clothes have always cost more than women. So then she was trying to cut corners. You feel me I'm saying, but that's why I'm saying like, bro, I'm sorry bro, I had to fight so many, so many battles. You know what I mean it's okay. Look.
Speaker 3:Okay, like I said, we made it. We made it.
Speaker 1:It's all good, all right, but look so pivoting a little bit because I feel like that the whole gunner and thug thing is kind of personal. But new information still coming out, so we're going to pause on that one. Something a little bit funnier let's talk about what he said about young Glorilla. Wow, did I hear what? What fam said about?
Speaker 2:I mean you can tell me what he said? That's probably one thing I didn't hear per se. I kind of read about it, you know what I'm saying. So but what I from what I heard, he was, you know, kind of ugly and all that, yeah. But specifically.
Speaker 1:all right, I'm going to quote this. He said long ass bullshit, wig skinny shit, big ass head, big mouth. I would not pursue her like at all Big ass, nose.
Speaker 3:Yeah bro, like he was going, he said hey, I'm a quote.
Speaker 1:Man watch out. It's not funny bro Because it's messed up, Because I got a daughter now and I wouldn't want nobody to talk about her like that. But honestly speaking, I feel like in today's day and age, regardless of who you are, you're not allowed to call nobody ugly no more. I feel like back in the day people called Whoopi Goldberg ugly on TV. People called her that to her face almost. She about fixed about 80% of the stuff he talked about. Yes, all of it. Unfortunately, right, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2:Now she has glammed up a lot, you know money does a lot for you, you know I mean resources a dentist all of those things they do. They ain't got room to speak too much, boy, he really don't, but that's what they said.
Speaker 1:He was jack because he called her twin. He was like he was like she ugly twin and that's what people said. That's like nigga twin and she ugly how the fuck?
Speaker 2:no, she, but that's the lingo, that's their lingo. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:like they say twin, I mean yeah, but that's what they just it was a play on words.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm saying twin though, because you ain't finna say I'm saying you, my partner, like that, my twin but thug was going in, bro, he was going in on gorilla he was going in on 21, future, future.
Speaker 2:One thing, okay, let me let me. Let me let me talk, I guess, about future, because he brought that up and stuff. Yeah, you know what you got my how he is as a father you think he has a right to, I guess, had that standpoint and what he said about future pluto, about him he was coming to him as being a father and having all these kids and different people. How many kids does Thug have? He got a lot of kids, I don't have the number.
Speaker 3:If I'm not mistaken, he still take care of all of them. I don't know. I really don't have liberty to speak on that.
Speaker 2:When you say take care of, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3:That's why I was about to say I really don't have liberty to speak on that. When you say take care of, what do you mean by that? That's why I was about to say I really don't have liberty to speak on that, because I don't have details on what he does with his kids. But I would put it like this Out of all the celebrities that do things with their kids, if he ain't doing it like Boosie, I don't think.
Speaker 1:I was going to say, yeah, boosie's solid. You feel like he's the what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2:Like the criminal crowd, he's the standard. The standard for these rappers they need to look to as far as fatherhood.
Speaker 3:It's somebody else that I'm not thinking about, though, bro.
Speaker 3:TI, I mean TI got a solid family structure, though, no Because you finna, for now, yeah, but like because I got bro. I know, I know, as a father, it's like when your kids get to a certain level, you can't do but, hey, man, cut little dude off or something. You hear me like, like, like you, you are, you two out of control. You know what I'm saying like. But I, I do understand also that there's a wife involved and it's just, you just can't just cut nobody off without talking to the wife, because the wife might go behind your back and do something that involved, and it's just, you just can't just cut nobody off without talking to the wife, cause the wife might go behind your back and do something that you and that's going to mess everything up. So I, I agree that I'm, I'm a tip, I'm minding my business, all right.
Speaker 2:But Master P.
Speaker 3:Hell, no, hell, no. It's too many allegations in that. It's too many allegations with nah, it's too many allegations in that. It's too many allegations with yeah, with what's going, with how they be interacting with each other and all of that with his daughter and all of that.
Speaker 1:I know y'all consider dude a rapper, but nick cannon, they say dude is always at his kids events flying across the country to do different people got one like a couple of names bro no, I ain't even.
Speaker 3:I ain't even gonna, I ain't even gonna fought him for that what I am gonna follow me.
Speaker 2:I'm to fault him for that. What I am going to fault him is I'm going to fault him for this, right.
Speaker 3:He's purposely doing what he's doing, yeah, yeah, it ain't like he like getting a family and putting them in a big-ass house and having kids with one woman and then she can't have kids and then y'all got an agreement to go get more kids. That's different. You feel me? You just going to have kids all around the world like I.
Speaker 2:He ain't no wrong with it, but he also reflected on it, though, too, and said that he kind of I ain't say wish, but he would have went about it differently. You know what I'm saying, so yeah I'm not. Yeah, I mean you say that's he get a pass for not knowing their?
Speaker 1:name, bro, I ain't gonna say he get a pass for not knowing their name. I, bro, I ain't going to say he get a pass for not knowing their name.
Speaker 2:I'm saying, if in the moment it slips his mind, nah, they gave him an opportunity. Oh see that, I ain't see that. And set a list your kids' names.
Speaker 1:See, yeah, no, I ain't see that, because I will say, like mama's sister's, bro, so many people call me nephews and cousins' names and cousins, names and people.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. I'll give you birthdays. If you don't remember your kids birthdays, you got all those like their name, bro, that goes. That goes directly into what I was saying. You are not emotionally tied to these kids yeah, you know what I'm saying, like you just going and having kids, like I don't agree with that. No, he not in my top five of fives.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I rocks with that right. So do you actually have a top five? Because?
Speaker 2:I'll tell you this I don't know how many rappers actually got kids or like their relationship with their kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I was all right. So I want to bring this back around because I found some information right. So, specifically talking about Future, well, going back to Thug, right, he got six kids. Okay, three boys, three girls.
Speaker 2:Just so we can get that out there. Yeah, that's manageable. Right, that's manageable.
Speaker 1:But some specific things he said about Future that we could talk about. So, on Future's parenting, like you was talking about, he said Pluto, it's like you pushing the P bitches want to have your kid and shit too, but you still got to be 100 locked in with the kids, you 100 locked in with the bitches, and that's the wrong way to go. Right, yeah, which understandable. I think we all agree with that statement. Right, and I don't know what future out here doing. We know what his perspective in music is and shit. But then he also said based on their relationship. He said you biting and you ain't real a buster all the way around. He called me to the studio asking how to start his song, but when the girls in the room he act like he don't hear me. Everything you know I done taught you. That was thug on future all right.
Speaker 3:Now let me ask this following that do y'all think the people that he talked about should All right? So do you think the Should feel any type of way that they upset at him for saying any of that?
Speaker 1:No, but I also think that, like he said, he said that everybody that is leaked out about, as far as his homies anyway, he's already had conversations with them, so he, they know where, he know where they stand, they know where he stand on all of these things. So everybody that's coming out ain't no way.
Speaker 2:You talked to me and told me and called me a buster in my face and we was still like I ain't saying that bro.
Speaker 1:I think it's environment, bro, cause, just like when we first came down here, we was interacting with cast in houston. We realized they call each other bitches a lot and we was like nigga, never in a million motherfucking years, yeah, we don't move like that, but these niggas might move like that. You know what I'm saying, so that might be their lingo.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I'm saying, but I, to be honest, I doubt it. I think. I think that he might have been like, I think he might have gave him that advice, but Not that advice With his lady, he put a little extra on it. I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say that, cause I don't, that's what I don't like, bro.
Speaker 2:Is you sitting there and you can say you had a conversation with me. But then you back though and you said See, that's lame when you go when you? Right pillow talking, but when you have a me and then say you talking to aunt, and then you say man, I told this dude like this bro, and it'd be a little, it'd be more fluff on it, that ain't how it went, bro, and if I hear that's what you said, we have an issue.
Speaker 3:It's smoke.
Speaker 1:We have an issue hey, but this shit is so funny. It reminds me this random as hell, it reminds me of this key and peel episode, and they was talking about how they talk about their wives when they get around their friends. They was like and this bitch and they had to like whisper that shit and this bitch and then the wives would pop up like what you say huh huh what like niggas had to switch.
Speaker 1:Cause that's what it be, bro, it be the pressure. Cause he was like he told his wife this, but with the homies he was like man, I told that bitch like, you know what I'm saying nigga you ain't say that honey? Do you think it's okay if?
Speaker 2:but nah, like with with him and um, future pluto, like if he, like we said, if he had that conversation with him already. You know, I'm saying why even talk about it again too? Because why even reiterate it if you already had a conversation with him about it? And then you probably had this conversation when Before I got locked up, yeah, so why didn't your girl hear about this conversation before you went? In Because you gonna wait till you go inside to have a conversation. Go ahead, monte, because 23 and 1.
Speaker 2:You ain't got nothing to speak on 23 and 1.
Speaker 3:You in a cell, thinking, yeah, thinking for hours, bro, even if you reading a book, bro, you thinking, you can't even concentrate I'm not trying to give him no excuses, bro, I really ain't, but neither one of y'all have been in jail, so what I'm saying, and I want to know what it is I want to touch on that because he said that in the interview, right.
Speaker 1:So he said that in the interview. He was like 23 and 1. He was like I just got body slammed by a motherfucking judge, yeah. Now I got to go back to my cell, yeah, and not talk to no motherfucking body, right. And so Mack asked him. He was like how you think like you would have felt on the outside hearing about the shit that people are saying about you? Like what would you? What would you have thought, right? And thug was like if I was somebody who didn't go through, like you said, if I have somebody who didn't go through the type of shit that I've been through, I would expect y'all to be like what the fuck this nigga tripping? He was like. But if you've been through some shit, like some shit that I've been through, you probably are more curious. Like I wonder what he thinking. I wonder what he?
Speaker 1:going. You know what I'm saying? You a little bit less judgmental about the situation because of people who have either been to jail or been in a courtroom being fucked over by a judge. You know what I'm saying? X, y and z. So he was like those people are looking at the situation differently. They a little bit more supportive, while people who haven't been through the same things are like, oh, this nigga trippy, he wilding out and they a little bit more. You know, own him about the situation.
Speaker 3:But at the same time I don't think that, like his personal friends, I don't think that they really concerned about what they said about him. It was what he said to the police when he was in the interrogation room, when he said I'll give you anything like anything. You need anything you need to know. You know I'm saying just like I I get to you.
Speaker 3:Just don't tell the people it's like that right there like no, ain't, no, ain't, no way. I don't care if you was talking to them trying to spin them, like woody said, and you get up out of there and never answer the phone again. It doesn't matter, you don't tell nobody. You don't tell them that you say lawyer, that's it, you know I'm saying like. So, excuse me if somebody from the street you just don't do that.
Speaker 1:But I think that's the thing too, because, as we know, it's a lot of cats who claim to be from the street. That ain't necessarily from the street, but they affiliated right, so they may get a pass, like a lot of artists. Right, the artists weren't specifically in those situations, but they may have been cousins with, or like homies with, that person that was doing the things that they rapping about. So they it's like a different angle Can you hold them to the same standards if they didn't technically come from that situation? I think and that's the the problem, because a lot of people feel like gunna isn't necessarily a street cat, so he didn't have the knowledge, the to know what he was supposed to do in the situation. No, you don't give him no pass on that.
Speaker 3:He's a he's a kitchen crip bro. No, no, when you in the gang, bro, like you can't put that jacket on at all that's alleged yes, ma'am was breaking code. Bro, you know I'm saying like no, you can't be. You can't be the gang, no more.
Speaker 2:Cover them, tattoos up but here's the thing, what you said you don't have to be in no type of organization to know the rules. You were, you grown up around the environment, yeah, you are part of the culture, right, so you know the rules of engagement, yeah, so and but all right.
Speaker 3:So my thing with gunna, right, I feel like he don't think that he snitched or ratted, because all he did was say yes, ma'am, it ain't like he implicated, implicated somebody and pointed at them in court and stood on the stand and said something. It's like hey, man, all I did was agree to some stuff. You know I'm saying like I didn't actually say it. They said it and I agreed to it, but in a sense that's still snitching. You know I'm saying like I can't even say it's snitching, though you feel me like I don't even know what it's called like. Remember we had that conversation about snitching and telling. I don't even say it's snitching, though you feel me Like I don't even know what it's called Like. Remember we had that conversation about snitching and telling. I don't necessarily think that was snitching, bro. I feel like it's in this realm of snitching, but he didn't actually go snitch.
Speaker 2:I think that's when people say we're moving the goalposts on what it is. Because when you hear that and you say you were at the crib and you're on the block and you heard about your homie doing the same thing, it's a black eye on his reputation for you, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's what it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I mean, if you think about it, if you put it in another situation and you like, if he was sitting there and he was in the interrogation room and they were like why sell a gang?
Speaker 2:Exactly, damn right. You know what I'm saying it's the same thing. It's the same thing.
Speaker 3:To be honest, you know what I'm saying. When you, when you, when you look at it, he was saying yes, yeah, he did it. That's right, you know what I know.
Speaker 2:I'm saying like just yes, ma'am, he did it in a nice way, but this is I want to go back to, I guess real quick to say what thug was talking about future and and me asking I want to know if he, like I said, had these conversations with Future before he got locked up like he said he did. Did he have it before? Because, like I said, if he had the conversation before and he talked to his girl about it before, why are you, even though you on the inside and you got 23-1, why are you bringing it back up and say you basically saying, hey, remember that one time I told you about man, that's doing too much bro.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree with you, but to bring the track around, what I think might have happened the amount of stress bro was under you. Do rehash it because he's already dealing with mistrust from everybody else in YSL. He's probably revisited other mistrust.
Speaker 2:He was mad at him because he didn't do a free show for him.
Speaker 1:Look All right, so look, I don't know Depends on how he been supporting him this whole time.
Speaker 3:I don't think it's none of that.
Speaker 1:What you think. It is 23 and 1. So, okay, so you feel like it's the stress. It ain't even the stress.
Speaker 3:That's and one that's so okay. So you feel like it's the stress. It's like it ain't even the stress. That's what he said it was about. Though listen, when I was locked up, when I called my mom or anybody, I'm gonna talk about whatever. You know what I'm saying. Like old stuff, like what's going on now. Really don't want to know what's going on out there, but like you know I'm saying, but where he was coming from, it was like, oh fuck, everybody who did me wrong type of thing, and he was just venting. You know what I'm saying like and he ain't had nobody.
Speaker 3:Like he said, he had nobody to talk to. All he was talking to was his, his, his female, so that's the only person you talking to you and you can't even talk to your celly, bro. You know what I'm saying? Your celly, if you got a cool little celly you sitting in there and you like and see what I'm saying, like that that.
Speaker 3:That right there. That's solitary, but it's a. I like I said, I'm not trying to give him no excuses, but being locked up ain't the only time he left the cell was in to go to the courtroom and see niggas point him out and snitch on him and then go back to the cell. He in his head, you know. But I still don't think that it warranted him talking about baby pee savage.
Speaker 1:But you know I'm saying it didn't work. That's the problem with us not having like all the details right, because you don't know how a motherfucker move, because you may feel a way for example, you may feel a way about one of your homeboys from back home or one of your cousins or some shit, but we don't know how deeply you feel about them. So some shit go down with y'all. Legally we can't necessarily provide insight into that, because it might just be some shit he did when y'all was alone or some shit he did like in the studio or on a phone call Because they because from from the research I found he ain't really say nothing, he just called that nigga P a rat. He just said he a rat, he worked with law enforcement, shit like that.
Speaker 3:He didn't say nothing necessarily about Baby, but he was putting his business out there, but with Baby.
Speaker 1:He was questioning him because he was like, why would he sign with him, why would he go sign with P?
Speaker 2:Because he feel like he a rat, yeah, yeah yeah, like talking about from quality control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, quality control. Make sure I mention these things appropriately, but that was. And to go back to your point, I feel like he was spazzing, because if you look at the direction he was aiming, it was everywhere. It was like a shotgun blast.
Speaker 2:It was like I'm trying to cut as many people as I fucking can. So with that, I want to ask out of all the calls that you heard about or you listened to, yeah, which call or recording do you think so far has been the most detrimental to the? The uh interrogation call?
Speaker 3:I don't think people like the no, no, no, of course, that I'm talking about with the people who he spoke on of course, the interrogation call. I don't think people like the internet.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, of course that I'm talking about with the people who he spoke on. Of course that's going to be a killer. That was the first off. That was the first thing they tried. They dropping them like mixtapes, right.
Speaker 3:But which?
Speaker 2:set of recordings with the people that he talked about so far do you think has been the most detrimental to him?
Speaker 1:Him I don't think it's always gonna be the gun of shit, just because people gonna hold up a mirror to him. That's my opinion, I think, because people gonna be like well, you said this, or just like rollo rollo had came back and was like paperwork maybe if you want paperwork, you know paperwork is what is valid in the streets, nigga, so you own paperwork saying too. So I feel like that would have been the shit that reflected on him the worst.
Speaker 2:What you got Monte.
Speaker 3:I think all of the artists like not his close friends' artists, but all of the artists that he ain't really tied with. It just looked like he was hating and now you ain't gonna get those features like from now you know you're not gonna get no feature from est money bag goddy, you ain't getting none of that. No, no, kendrick.
Speaker 2:And when you ain't getting no kendrick feature, that puts you out of a lot of shit yeah, you know it puts you out of high quality, putting you out almost almost a side of the map yeah, you like low-key about to get blackballed on some shit yeah you're only gonna be good, domestic like international.
Speaker 1:That's gonna silence a lot of shit because you got to be marketable. But did y'all did?
Speaker 3:y'all people saying, um, you're always gonna be straight overseas, you just gotta put that dress on. It's his sound, but like them.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree because there's like Even his old songs like Stoner and shit them, shit's probably gonna always Nah it's his sound man.
Speaker 3:The people overseas like that auto-tune and they like that type of stuff, but his stage presence ain't the same, so it's. Yeah, I don't know man.
Speaker 2:Look, I would say this too, though if, if, he had these conversations with these people already, and stuff like that, why, why did he have to come out and make an apology for glow, really?
Speaker 3:I feel like it's public now what you say the day you said somebody gave him the. We can't talk about black women talk.
Speaker 1:But that and I think that's my thing, bro we got to understand, like you said, so the 23 and 1. So he said some slick shit and then purged it right, Like when niggas be saying shit, bro, they move on. Because he's assuming that them calls not finna pop out, Like he assuming he was just talking to his girl.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying now. It's like he said he already had these conversations with these people, that about these calls, I think I apologize if you already have. He didn't have no conversation.
Speaker 1:I would go really, I think, with just the homies. Put it up, it was just the homies.
Speaker 3:He probably had a conversation with savage baby, and you know what I'm saying, like future and shit like that. Like them, his close partners you know well we say it's close, well, we really know it from the internet is him and baby is close. I don't know about oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 2:Matter of fact, let me ask my own question. I think the one with kendrick is probably the worst because, because, with him saying, oh, he don't, he don't put nobody on man. That's when they everybody put all these lists out. Yeah well, you know what I'm saying, who kendrick worked with and did this for, and stuff like that. I think they were saying that thug has his best song, something like that is a feature with kendrick, no, no, no, I'm sorry, I think it was travis scott, but a lot of his songs yeah, because he had a few songs with kendrick.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm sorry, I think it was travis scott, but a lot of his songs yeah, because he had a few songs with kendrick already, correct?
Speaker 3:I don't know, I think so y'all need to fact check me on that.
Speaker 1:Y'all get back back to us in the comments, whatever y'all want to do but, hey, you got us something that's for us bro yeah, man, let's, let's pivot, because I know we've been talking about thug a lot and it's a hot topic. It's a hot topic so we may touch back on depending on how this whole situation unfolds. But I got some more random questions for y'all, so we're going. We're going. We got a new segment, right? So that first thing we had was called hot takes. Now we got something called this or that. So I'm going to ask a few, just some random questions to see which our position is on that thing, right?
Speaker 2:now.
Speaker 1:Some rules before we get started. You are not allowed to straddle the fence. You have to pick one thing or the other. Right? Because I feel like you know that's what happened, cat. You get a difficult question, you'd be like nigga, neither, neither teeter top, like nah bro, nah, we gotta, we gotta choose, all right. So this one gonna be simple but, depending on how y'all answer, a little bit controversial, right? You have never met this person, but y'all didn't connect it on instagram, a dating app, whatever the case is right, and you about to go on your first date. So then and I'm talking specifically about a man and a woman, okay, who is supposed to pay for the date? Because sometimes, because in a man-man or woman-woman situation, I don't know who's supposed to pay. I don't know the chivalry rules in that specific situation.
Speaker 2:Because you had to really classify.
Speaker 1:Because I want to make sure, because if I say something, wow, if I say something, no, no, no, no shout out to all my lgbtqia plus community folks. But at the same time, I'm gonna specifically talk about this situation because I want to know, like for real, like what y'all think, like who's supposed to pay for the, who's supposed to pay for the date, and does it change based on either where you go or what you eating?
Speaker 3:it's, I don't know for me dog. So look for me. Me and my wife literally just talked about this the other day because I said that I don't want my daughter like how she's behaving now. It makes it seem like it's my, my way of the highway, right, I don't want my daughter to go on a date.
Speaker 2:The older one or the younger one?
Speaker 3:the older one okay so I don't want my daughter to go out on a date and not pull out her wallet and be willing to pay for her own meal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to be able to.
Speaker 3:And the man says, no, I got it. Yeah, you feel me Like that to me is Hold on.
Speaker 1:I want to expound on what you just said. Okay, so you're saying you're going to tell her to only pay for her portion To be able to? Yeah, I just want to make sure that that's the rule, right?
Speaker 3:So you want her to only pay? That's what I'm saying. Only pay for her meal. Only pay for you. So when you, when you go in, on the first day when the check come and they like how do you want to do this Right? The man has to be like I got it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:If he don't, if he's, if he.
Speaker 1:If he hesitates? If he hesitates, the woman says split the check, please, okay. Okay. I was curious because some people feel like women should be just as willing to pay for the meal as men. This is our first date.
Speaker 3:What does that mean? This is our first date. We may, we may keep quiet, since I'm still single. We may have talked, we may have interacted with each other, but we don't know each other. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. This is our first day we getting to know each other. Like I, like, all right, so put it like this I I throw some something in there. The man is is, if he don't offer to pay, that's gonna turn the woman off anyway. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:But sometimes a man white might want to see like, like, how you you know what I'm saying, like because a man don't necessarily like a woman to depend on him on the first date, like, if I offer, hey, I'm gonna take us out to dinner, I'm gonna take us to the movies, I'm gonna do this. That's different. Hey, do you want to go to the movies? Do you want to go to to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I said, do you want to go? I ain't say I'm gonna take you here. It's different. So, and women nowadays they like, oh well, he gotta pay for everything. And then I said I'm going to get my nails done. So and he ain't offering to get my nails done. When I said I was going to get my nails done, and he.
Speaker 2:No, you crazy you crazy.
Speaker 3:You say you're going to get your nails done. I'll say, hey, call me when you're done.
Speaker 1:Like what you mean, I don't but see, and a lot of women in today's world would, would consider that a turnoff right. So that mindset doesn't necessarily qualify in today's day and age. I'm not saying I agree because I. This is how I feel yeah, what's those things?
Speaker 1:if a man is single and he is being intentional about dating, I think that he should automatically cover the first date because it sets the tone for leadership for the rest of that relationship. I think sometimes as men, we get away from the fact that we have to build the house Right. We expect women to kind of come with the understanding of this is how I'm going to run my house. You got to kind of lay it out for her like this is how shit going to go, in my opinion, when you are first, when you first take a woman out and your intention is to either date her or to be like see what considered like long term, you know, I mean commit to her. You should set the tone now, depending on how, what you believe in. Some men believe 50, 50. Some men believe I'm gonna cover it, 100. Some men believe, fuck, that, I'm gonna let her take it, especially if she got a good job right. Whatever your logic is, I just feel like you should leave with it initially.
Speaker 1:But my standpoint is cover everything absolutely Absolutely not.
Speaker 3:Why? Because I'm not, I'm not getting ready to set the tone that I'm getting ready to pay for everything. Not happening, ok. Not happening, ok. I can lead in other ways, you know.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree with it. I don't have to leave with my pocket. Ok, you know, I think that that I think it's more of a consolidated package because for me that's like a primary step Because, like you said, there are other expectations. Did you come with flowers? Did you open the door? Did you pull her chair out? Like how else are you treating her on the date to display a certain level of leadership? So I do think it's more than just you covering the check, but also, like that's just part of provision in my, in my eyes, like that's part of hey, I got this because I've always been, regardless of what the relationship makeup is, I'm usually the one that cover the meals. You may pay for movie ticket or cell phone bill or something crazy like that, right, but as far as, like, there's certain things that's always gonna like, me covering the meals is always gonna be a thing. Me taking the trash out is always gonna be a thing, like I don't want my wife to change touch the trash bag in motherfucking years you know, yeah new father.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to a young, beautiful baby girl. Yeah, you are instructing her to do what. I'm instructing her to do what.
Speaker 1:I'm instructing her to always be prepared, but this is the type of man you should be looking for. You should be looking for the type of man that you don't have to convince to provide for you. He automatically has a desire to provide for you, and then, of course, she's going to teach her how to vet in other ways. Right, make sure he's not manipulating you. Make sure he's not like dangling a carrot in front of your face, like because it's not about providing things so you can get something in return. It's is that a natural trait that he has, or or is that something that he performs and does when he wants something? So I, like I'm gonna teach her discernment overall, to answer your question okay, Okay man me, cause I'm in this dating pool right now I'm like yeah, you the freshest on it.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about from years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Um, I have. And this for me personally, I'm not talking about, I guess, how I'm going to raise my children. Yet I'm speaking on for me as a single male right now man, not male so I have an expectation to be able to take care of the first date in my mind now. Y'all also know I've been to situations where got flown out and stuff like that and people didn't pay for my dates and stuff it is very uncomfortable, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm saying because I naturally want to do that now, when a woman that I've taken out I have women that I, you know handle the first date and they like, okay, well, I'll at least tip and I'll allow that. Yes, that's, that's, that's what's up.
Speaker 3:I like that.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying and that and me seeing that is going to make me want to do more. You know what I'm saying. And then, or even like this, I've had women you know I think, for like dating wise for me. I don't date, also, if I'm not able to take care of things To coverage yourself.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I wouldn't even try to put myself in that position. You're a different type of brother. That's why I ain't dating right now.
Speaker 1:I think I understand that sentiment, though, because I've always been one similar to like how you raise your daughter, how you saying you raise your daughters right, always be capable of it, even if you don't have to, and I think I've always kind of operated with that same mindset is like if I'm not capable of taking care of the situation, I'm a fallback, like just off GP, I also used to like.
Speaker 3:I specifically will talk about my wife because I think past relationships girls depended on me to do that and I at that point I got tired of females that were dependent on me to do things and I wanted somebody that wanted me and not needed me. You know what I'm saying? Like that's where I was at, so that's where my logic comes from. If I don't see you reaching for your purse, you want something.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying Like, like Bruce said he was on some, hey, I got, I got the data, I got the meal or whatever. And she was like, oh, hey, let me get the tip. You know what I'm saying. Like I've been like, oh hell, yeah, I found a winner, you know what I'm saying but somebody that's like sitting there popping their lips and twirling their gum.
Speaker 2:You don't even look your wallet. Let me ask you this though Because I know you probably got some more questions. You know what I'm saying too, but, like throughout the date, are you looking at things to determine if you know what I'm saying, I'm going to want to pay for this or if I'm going to probably ask around on the second date, that's what I'm at, because I'm going to pay for it regardless.
Speaker 1:All right, so Go. That's what I'm at, because I'm gonna pay for it regardless, because I'm all right, so let me. Let me. I don't want to, because then you got some people that be like man.
Speaker 2:She do order man man appetizer entree dessert and they even like hollering me about it yeah, like, but I don't like that either.
Speaker 1:I like more of a modest woman.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nah when you offer to pay. You signed that check. You signed that contract to pay for whatever she wanted.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter now which I'm willing to pay for it, but I am paying attention to how she goes about it.
Speaker 3:Don't be a glutton dog. No, hey, if we was going to the movies or something after you going home.
Speaker 1:You going. You know what my stomach hurt.
Speaker 3:I think I got food no, I'm gonna take you right to the. I'm gonna be honest you went a little overboard in there and, uh, the date's over, the date's over bro, she probably gonna respect that, but I feel like that's how you get stalkers too like she gonna appreciate the realness so much because I feel like I so, along with myself, in a lot of situation.
Speaker 1:We're not really super honest with women, right, because we're gonna be wanting to hurt their feelings a lot of time. There's a specific situation. So I had, I had, a date with a young lady. She came all the way from another city to here, right, I ended up getting a hotel. We had dates and stuff playing. It was cool. Now, when she got here, she wasn't necessarily the same quality as her pictures and stuff right.
Speaker 2:So I was like how so brother?
Speaker 1:it. Just, you know, the glam wasn't necessarily the glam. You know, you know, uh y'all done seen catfish before uh, yeah nah, it wasn't that bad, right, but I will say it wasn't to the standard that I was expecting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So basically she was like 15 years younger picture than what. It wasn't that age thing, it just was a presentation thing.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, because I feel like women use so many filters naturally that you don't trip off of the effect of it, sometimes Forget about that, and then naturally that you don't trip off of like the effect of it sometimes, and then you go back and you really pay attention, like skin care regimen trash you know what I mean and so you see him in person.
Speaker 1:It's a little different presentation. I don't want to stay on this too long. I'm saying that to say like usually it's more of an easy letdown. We I treated it real nice, right treated real nice said the back home that we didn't talk no more right like that's. That's just kind of what that. I ain't gonna waste your time. You know what I mean. You do your thing, so it's more of an easy letdown. I ain't never really been the type of like you's an ugly b**** now.
Speaker 2:I'ma take you home.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Like I ain't necessarily that type of cat, bro what it is but look how you think I felt, how you think I felt when that one woman I was talking to y'all.
Speaker 2:I heard me talking about it when I pulled up and she had that word written on her car like somebody keyed yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, I should have ran in because I knew, I knew then.
Speaker 2:But let me talk about that, bro, real quick, because I knew at that point when I pulled up to pick her up, I probably won't go, like you know I'm saying, but because I am, I already set it up, I already set for us to go eat, I already set for us to go, you know I'm saying, to this spot. So I'm looking at like all right, I'm hungry, anyway, I want to do this activity. I'm gonna go ahead and do it because I already set it up to be like that and then after that, yeah, you're not probably gonna hear from me after this.
Speaker 2:You know I'm saying, and I'm I'm about to tell you why, but I'm gonna still go through this because I don't want to have this image. You would have this image in your head, or this memory of me just pulling up and ghosting, or leaving.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna say this because we had an episode about, uh, paying attention to red flags. Yeah, exactly, you saw that red flag and you went forward. You should have went by yourself. You wanted to do those activities.
Speaker 2:I would have just went by myself, yeah because if I would, have saw that on the side of the car I'm like this is but that's why I'm saying, like you say, I went forward, yeah, physically, I went forward physically I mean you wanted that, you wanted to you because I had.
Speaker 3:I had the opportunity to do.
Speaker 2:You know I'm saying most guys want to do at the end of the day Mm-hmm but and I still would like no, because I don't want that problem, because I see the potential issues that might come with this. Yeah, so I was already checked out when I pulled up, when I saw that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mentally I mean, it ain't like you, and physically it ain't like you, it ain't like you. You crossed the red. The red you went, you, you crossed on the line. You. Yeah, I was torn, yeah, you was.
Speaker 1:You was like right in front of it getting ready to step over, and I and I get it right, because there have been a lot of situations where I kind of look past certain things, also understanding that a lot of people have toxic behaviors. Right, in our culture, there's a lot of things that people do because it's popular or because you know what I'm saying, whatever. So I get that from that standpoint. Now, talking about culture, I got this last question. That's probably going to go way too long, but it's the last question and then we're going to get into our final segment, right?
Speaker 1:But Raven-Symoné has recently gone viral for a particular stance and I'm curious on where y'all see this. At right, it's real easy, ain't nothing y'all need to see ahead of time. But she stated that she is not an African-American, right, she is an American. She is a black American, okay, but she identifies as American. She feels like she American, ok, but she identifies as American. She feels like she asked the question how long does a family have to be in America? I don't want a bloodline, specifically a bloodline, have to be in America before they're American, because our are what they call our forefathers, right, the all these white presidents. They're technically Irish American, you know what I'm saying Like Russian American, english american, english american. Whatever the case is they technically came from somewhere else and their bloodlines have been here long enough.
Speaker 2:You keep to where they're considered america. You keep saying the key word for me blood yeah, bloodline, it's in your blood. It's never gonna. It's never gonna wash away, is. I think the only way it may be dilute is if you know how they say when a caucasian person and a black person get together get together and have a child and then, okay, the child is black because of the dominant genes black, so that's a way to dilute it.
Speaker 3:I guess you could say yeah, but at the end of the day they still. I was getting ready to say in this day, it's still.
Speaker 1:It's still in your bloodline so you feel like as long as your people originally came from that area, because the reason why I argued it right is technically not all of us came from africa some black people existed in other areas of the planet, exactly not just africa. So it's like all black people are african-american. Are we saying that because?
Speaker 2:that's gonna go back into your belief, though, because a lot of people say everybody came from africa, the motherland. That's where it started. You know I'm saying so. It's gonna go into that if we just trying to. You know I'm saying for this particular moment answer the question straight out, the rip for me she tripping like she tripping.
Speaker 1:I don't necessarily agree, but but I feel like she got a solid stance.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying she tripping like initially.
Speaker 1:But when I sit there and like, really think about it.
Speaker 2:It goes down to what we kind of said, though if she did the research on her bloodline heritage and she, it came back, yeah, to where it wasn't african, and she has a right to say you know what I'm saying, what she said, and then she should fight for being called something else.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I'm so tired of people identifying this shit. You see, I'm saying like I get that honestly I do feel that she's doing her ancestors a great disservice, because if she does find out that her people came from africa, then what?
Speaker 1:I don't think it's, I don't think that was her stance, and I'll tell you why I agree. I agree to a degree with what she's saying. She's saying people who come directly from Nigeria or Ghana or Senegal whatever Right, people who come over here, there and like their kids, are technically African-American Right Because they're tied directly to a culture or a country that exists in Africa they have, they can literally tie it back to traditions, food, da da, da, da da Right. Basically, for us, we don't. We have, no, you have no culture in Africa. You can't go connect your family to any city or country over there, outside of maybe some shit to any city or country over there, outside of maybe some shit.
Speaker 3:Ancestry told you right, she's right. She pretty much saying like my great-grandmother, my grandmother, my mama, they were all born in america so exactly so I'm american, which is technically factual if you look at how america was built.
Speaker 1:Because if all these white folks, these europeans right, because technically they are from europe, they migrated here right, they consider themselves Americans. So, by definition, me and my family are considered American. And to go back to your point, unique, it was funny that you said something about her checking her family bloodline. Because she said something about she did some research and her family was one of the first to like convert into, like slave masters names or some crazy shit. So like she can literally say like no, we're legitimately one of the oldest families that have been in america. So for her she like why would I go back?
Speaker 3:and try to tie to some shit from no because okay, so that makes it even more of a disservice.
Speaker 1:What you mean.
Speaker 3:Because you went and found that they were people were slaves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that came from Africa.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1:No, ok. So I think it's hard to identify something you have no connection to. To identify something you have no connection to, it's like people who we know, we have grown up at least around or in the city of. Like a young black kid who was like adopted by a white family, had all white friends, went to all white schools. He has no connection to our culture. So there's no reason why he feels like compassion for hip hop or anything outside of that because he has no connection to it.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm gonna say this then, because when we were working where we were working, yeah, yeah and I did my ancestry test and we saw that I think it was ghana or something like that that my ancestors were from, or something like that, but the picture was strong black men on there. That's my vision of my ancestors. So I'm in in my mind. I got some strong forefathers that went through some shit yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:And they still and, and and I'm here because they they were able to survive. You know what I'm saying. So that's how I look at it. You're trying to say you're born in soft as America, where all this soft shit happened.
Speaker 1:Like. Her perspective is a little different. She feels like her, the ancestors she's more connected to built this country. The ancestors she's connected to have have stronger roots in American culture because it was built on the back of black folks.
Speaker 3:So she feels like.
Speaker 1:Africa. I agree with that she's. I don't think she's saying she doesn't respect the culture. She just doesn't necessarily identify as African American because she doesn't have any African parts of her culture, Like there's nothing she does or has about herself that is African outside of her lineage.
Speaker 2:I think, I think they you know what I'm saying she cause.
Speaker 1:She identifies as black, just not african-american technically, and there is a large diaspora of people who believe that god, I'm just, I'm just being an ass, because I just you good that show stands. I ain't saying everybody gotta agree with the boys you finna say you need.
Speaker 2:I think god forbid if something happens and they segregate us and round us all up and put us in camps and stuff. They're not going to separate the Africans to the African-American. You're right, they're going to put all the black people in the same camp.
Speaker 3:No matter if you're mixed you're going.
Speaker 1:I think that there's going to be a huge divide. I think that that's the problem. And then we're going to fight amongst ourselves. Yeah, I think that that there's going to be a huge divide. I think that that's the problem.
Speaker 2:And then we're going to fight amongst ourselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen. I think yeah we're going to separate ourselves, and I think that that's going to be the problem, because when they start wrapping people up, it's going to be niggas, that's going to be like hey, yo, uh-uh.
Speaker 3:Hey, get them over there, bro, like that ain't us, you know what I'm saying like we.
Speaker 2:That ain't. That ain't who we is and the person who's going to try to stand up and be like no, we should stand together.
Speaker 1:He's gonna die first, get mugged. But and there's also, if you think about it, there's also always been a different like a separation.
Speaker 1:They it a lot of africans have come over here and don't really fuck with, yeah, black americans but I will say I've dug into that a little bit and it's because of how privileged we are yeah, you know what I'm saying it's because of like, like, even shit, like water, like I don't know if y'all know this, but a lot of them have like use bag water, like they have to go get bags of water and they have a certain amount of water they can use in the day yeah, so even the fact that we can loot, yeah, like in their country, I mean because of the filtration systems, right.
Speaker 1:So that's why I like people like Akon are getting big because of the systems that they put in place, but because they don't come from that, right, they come over here and they realize we do have a lot of first world privileges, that there's a attitude about us that kind of make it makes us look like stuck up.
Speaker 3:OK, so now I want to say this what are you here? You understand that it's like here and you getting the same privileges as I. So why do you act that way? Like they act like they better than us because they went through something. They don't know what we had to go through years ago. You know what I'm saying, like.
Speaker 1:I think. I think that's the problem. Right, it's a lot of divide. When everybody went through it like you know what I'm saying, we all went through colorism. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying, we all went through colorism we all had. Either you was either made fun of for being too dark or too light, or you know what I'm saying your hair was either too nappy or too straight, or everybody has kind of gone through those same fights. I think the problem is we don't connect to it. Right, we don't really connect to it, but all right, so real quick, we're going to pivot to this last one. Do y'all agree or disagree with what Raven-Symoné said? I disagree.
Speaker 1:Disagree. All right, I'm going to lean more towards agree.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:And that might be the 30% Irish speaker. He going to be on the other side of the camp G.
Speaker 1:Hey look, I'm going to be in the house like get him.
Speaker 3:Get, get those niggers. And on top of that, I feel I feel a little strong about this because of the simple fact that I'm I'm just now taking a history class and I'm realizing what's in the history books is. They're saying that pretty much, uh, the slaves had an option. Yeah, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:yeah, some of them had options to stay slaves, and no, they said all in the bar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're making it.
Speaker 1:I mean they've changed the textbook at one point.
Speaker 2:I got a question. At what point did they say that option came?
Speaker 3:okay, they're not saying a specific point. You see, a they're saying like they're saying that slaves had an option to be in the house. They had an option to be free with. Go find their own wives so this is an app.
Speaker 2:They've already been here. Yeah, okay, I'm finna say it was a no-go.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. Like that, that's not true, and I and I got really upset about this.
Speaker 2:So for me to see that they still lying on us makes me even connect more with what was going on back then yes I'm african-american because y'all got us fucked up what history book is this hold on, I was gonna say a lot of these updated ones have they have gotten away. They're going to rewrite, change things put things in.
Speaker 3:No, I got the book right here because I I was I was doing homework earlier and it was give me live, give me liberty. Seagull edition.
Speaker 2:Volume one, seventh edition, it was in chapter one I wonder what year that book was written or published it probably was like 2020.
Speaker 1:You know, that's when they start sneaking all the stuff in, like 2020 hold on I fact checked it.
Speaker 1:But all right, all right. So we are getting towards the end of the podcast. So before we leave, right, the name of our podcast is called trenches to trophies. So the essence of what we, why we do what we do is always to build people up to talk about how there's always a way to go from your trenches to your trophy. It's just about how you approach the situation. So before we get up out of here today, I want to make sure everybody kind of drops a little gem. Right, we're gonna, we're gonna tell us a little trench to trophy little excerpt or something like that, whatever y'all want the people to know. So I'm gonna start with unique, unique.
Speaker 2:You got a gem for the people. Man, man, I got something. Let me say this Just because I give you advice doesn't mean I'm smarter than you. It means I've made more mistakes. I've had opportunities to go through those things and learn from it. You know what I'm saying. So I don't want people to feel because we all hear our opinions. You know what I'm saying. It's not facts. We've been through these things to be able to give this input and this perspective. So it's okay to go through your things and your challenges through life. You know what I'm saying. Hear that and just develop from it, learn from it. Don't beat yourself over the head with it.
Speaker 1:I rock with that bro. I actually with that bro. I actually appreciate that and, to be honest, mine, I think, kind of connects with yours. I would say a lot of our culture survives on pretty much that mentality, like we got to get it by any means necessary, just survive by any means. I think we got to pivot from surviving to actually being strategic, like set a goal and figure out what the path is. You want to get to it. I think some of the best advice I've ever received in going to work is figure out what you want to do and then build backwards Instead of starting from the bottom and trying to figure out how can I get to the top. Figure out what it takes from that top and everything that people built before you all the way down towards your starting point is, and then that allows you to kind of map out what you need to get done. But all right, I'm gonna tell you what you got for me.
Speaker 3:I just want to say that book was 20 was published in 2022 man get that book out but go so with that being said, I just encourage all our black families to make sure your kids know your history.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying when black people know their history, they carry the strength of their ancestors, the wisdom of survival and the pride of achievements. You know what I'm saying? And that's a trophy right there. The achievement is a trophy. You know what I'm saying? Knowledge of self is the foundation of empowerment. Y'all have to know that. You know what I'm saying. So make sure that you teach your kids their black history Because, as we know, this book right here teaches a lot of white history. You know what I'm saying and I think y'all kids should know that.
Speaker 3:Take a class on black history. You know what I'm saying, even you. If you don't know, hey, there's chat GPT out there. Find lots of things about history. Take some of the things that I said in this episode and go fact check it. You know what I'm saying. I gave you the name of the book. Go look it up. Go read it for yourself. It's lies in that book. No, I wasn't born 400 years ago, but guess what? I believe what happened to us. You know what I'm saying. Like it's stories about it. It's, it's it's articles about it. They, they have proof. You feel me Like. So I just encourage everybody to know their history.
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