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The Gray Areas of Loyalty: Exploring Street Ethics
Our deep dive into the controversial topic of "snitching" explores where people draw the line between loyalty and doing what's right. We tackle this divisive issue from multiple perspectives and challenge conventional thinking.
• Distinguishing between snitching and telling based on involvement in criminal activity
• How social media has created new forms of public exposure and accountability
• The shocking statistic that only 6% of sexual harassment cases are handled satisfactorily
• Whether cultural figures like Tekashi 6ix9ine have permanently damaged their reputations
• Testing loyalty through hypothetical scenarios that challenge our values
• Why the no-snitching code originated from survival instincts in certain communities
• When it's universally acceptable to speak up, such as protecting children or the elderly
When raising your children, teach them the fundamentals: "If you see something, say something" applies differently based on context and involvement. Build a value system that emphasizes both personal accountability and protection of vulnerable people.
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Welcome back to another episode of the Trenches for Trophies podcast. I'm your boy, ant, and I'm here with my bros, unique, what it do, and Monte Corleone. How's it going? Guys, we appreciate y'all coming back to listen to us for another episode. We got something good for y'all. Today we're going to talk about something that's, I guess, popular in the black culture, but also not necessarily popular amongst folks.
Speaker 1:Very controversial yeah it's definitely very controversial, yes, sir, but all all right. So if y'all was around for six nine when he had his run, uh, y'all, y'all remember takashi. Six nine rainbow. Never heard of it, boy oh, okay, so we just forget the rats exist gotcha um understood, understood, uh, but yeah, so we're gonna talk a little bit about snitching. If you haven't caught on, that's what we're going to talk about today.
Speaker 2:I'm snitching.
Speaker 1:So there's a question, right, and before we get into it because Unique has an actual story that he's going to tell to help introduce everything I want us to think about something, right? So is there ever a right time to put somebody out there, right? So, like, do you ever feel like it's a good time to put somebody on? Blast? Is that ever?
Speaker 2:is there ever a reason why you like, oh yeah, blast they, motherfucking know when you with the homies, you put your homie on blast for the he didn't did some goofy stuff. You know what I'm saying yeah, I think there's different.
Speaker 1:I mean like something like that made you like angry because y'all know a girl might do it right. So I've seen it's a trend now with women taking pictures of their inbox Right Of thirsty dudes in their inbox and blasting them on social media.
Speaker 2:But usually what they'll do, they'll blur out that dude's name.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, but they're blatantly just blasting this person, Bruh names and everything. That's not a good look.
Speaker 2:Profile pictures and everything that's not a good look. Profile pictures and everything.
Speaker 1:Just like we've been saying that ain't pee, but for real. So some people feel like there's reasons why you should put somebody on blast, like in that situation if you a thirsty dude, then a female, yeah, if you on some weird stuff, like you if a person like say a woman feel uneasy by this person and you've communicated to them hey, leave me alone then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you probably need to blast them for your safety yeah you know I'm saying um, but other than that, I feel my business all right.
Speaker 3:So me, how I feel all of that shit is for likes. So for me, if you're gonna blast somebody, call the news channel, or something you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying because I I don't understand like I get it's an easier route doing on the internet.
Speaker 2:That's why it's easier it is.
Speaker 3:But and now, if it was something to where you know, like that one lady who, who, uh, I don't remember what she did, but she, she was using the n-word, she called somebody a nigger or something and she got like white lady that, yeah, she got fired from christian.
Speaker 1:She's like confident with it. You know what my mom's like?
Speaker 2:yeah, your mama they worked with them. Yeah, she worked with yeah, so it was.
Speaker 3:It was a lady. You ain't seen it. It was a lady um back young yeah, and st louis or whatever she worked at christian northeast and west yep, and so she, she had, uh, used a slur or whatever, and it was recorded and got back to the you know what I'm saying, the people, and they fired her.
Speaker 3:Ooh, you know so it's like yeah sometimes in certain situations, social media does help. But in those type of situations, like if you serious about it and you want to really blast somebody, show your face and show how hurt you are. You know what I'm saying and let people know like, hey, like this person really hurt me, or some shit like that. Don't you blasting somebody for what they said in your you know what I'm saying? Your inbox? Yeah, people ain't gonna do nothing but laugh and and ridicule somebody. Dog, like I don't. It's rare when somebody is actually seeing that you know what I'm saying and doing something about it. It's rare. So for me, social media ain't nothing but for attention, bro.
Speaker 2:When you posting, it ain't nothing but for attention dog let's say you, the person, you have done that route where you went to the news, you went to authorities. They not helping, you know, I'm saying so yeah you're going to social media to blast the person, to put it out there like, say somebody's a woman's been taken advantage of you know, sometimes some go to authorities, they document it, you know I'm saying, but they really not doing any type of investigative work for real so then they try to.
Speaker 2:They try to blast this man, a woman or whoever. You know what I'm saying. Did this to him on the internet. Now you're you look bad too, because then you're putting yourself out there to be judged you know what I'm saying true.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, unfortunately, if you went to the police and they ain't do nothing and you go online and and and do some stuff like that, technically you're doomed because that person can come mess you up just because of the simple fact you already went to the police. They ain't did nothing. Now you're going online, you're blasting me now I'm finna, hurt you I see. So to that point it don't matter, he don't care I think that's the problem I think that's the problem.
Speaker 1:So we got to understand. So I want to deal with the the side of it. So it's crazy because I teach this for work. So 6%, only 6%, of like sexual harassment cases are actually dealt with in a satisfactory way, like most situations.
Speaker 2:94% of them 6% boy.
Speaker 1:That's crazy, right, when you think about it. Like, when it comes to sexual harassment in the workplace, only 6% of those cases are handled correctly. Other than that, it's either not taken seriously or something happens. So most of the time people's fear is of embarrassment or losing their credentials or stuff like that. So I think it's situational right, because usually if somebody's trying to do something to you, they usually have some type of power over you, they in a position of power or they have some type of influence, or they got dirt on you or something like that. So I think that the way that you approach it is is based on the amount of power that you have on somebody.
Speaker 1:But I feel like going to social media, the thing I wanted to point out was the proof. When you, when you post the video of the lady or the recording or whatever of the lady from the hospital yeah, that's proof that she did what you're saying, that she did, right. I think it's different when you're coming out and just saying it blatantly without any like recourse we don't have, like no text receipts, we don't know none you're just saying like this person is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah right, who put his hands on on old girl.
Speaker 1:Pretty much yeah, because you don't have no, you don't have no proof, so it's hard for people to like swing one way or the other, because that's what happened with meg, remember yeah everybody was like I need to see more.
Speaker 1:And a lot of people hated that. There's like y'all never believe women. Y'all never believe women. But also we had just dealt with the bill cosby stuff, and you know what I'm saying. It was like half of them was telling the truth, half of them wasn't like. So it's like as a society we're kind of being taught shit. I need to see more. You know what I mean? I can't necessarily trust everything at face value. You know what I mean. Some of that has to come with credit.
Speaker 2:It's messed up, but you got to go back to the decision part because we kind of veered off of it. Is it okay to go out and say it yes, you need to report that, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I think so. I think that how you conduct yourself, how you do it, matters, but I think putting it out there is okay, if you're in that type of situation overall regardless, even if you're a witness to it, and that's my thing. I feel like we got away from the witness to what whatever the situation is like, okay.
Speaker 1:so y'all remember growing up. If your neighbor noticed you doing some whack stuff, they usually had the permission to either come snatch you up themselves or to reach out to your parents to make sure that that got handled Right. I think that's what we lose. We lose out on that now, like now.
Speaker 2:They ain't, they ain't and mine ain't business, they ain't snitching, though for real, that was.
Speaker 1:But that's, that's what I'm, I think.
Speaker 2:When we talk about snitching, we're talking about to the authorities. So what you consider an authority, I don't think my neighbor telling my mom I'm like, man, you a snitch. I'm not looking at them as a cold snitch like they from the car, the police.
Speaker 1:So we talking about like, because define snitch, because what we talking about? I think that the culture has a loose definition of snitch. That's the problem. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Saying I have a loose definition of snitch, but it's the. Here's the true definition of snitch. You know what I mean according to whom? According to the streets man, I I ain't gonna say this according to I'm I'm the, I'm the street I am, the streets I'm the streets, I'm motherfucking, I'm cheesy.
Speaker 3:I am the streets, hey, but nah, like I ain't. I'm not saying that like I'm the street representative or nothing like that, but like if you in the game, meaning if you sell drugs, an organization, if you do crime, yeah, let's sum that up.
Speaker 1:Organization.
Speaker 3:The crime syndicate. The crime syndicate, yeah, drugs, gangs, murderers, all of that in between. All of that. Like you gotta be just a citizen to be okay, to snitch. Like if you, if you got a gang tattoo, then you're gonna die.
Speaker 1:Like it's a code, or it's supposed to be a code it's supposed to be a code.
Speaker 3:So if you, if you in it and you and you telling or telling information that you know about anybody else that's in it, then you a snitch.
Speaker 2:That's supposed to be a green light and a black eye on your reputation.
Speaker 3:Yeah for sure, Because it would never be the other way around. A gangster ain't finna tell on a civilian.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:He ain't finna be. Oh yeah, I've seen them stealing in the store because they ain't finna do no real. You know what I'm saying? Nothing, you know what I'm saying. So you know what I'm saying. So a civilian is a civilian. If they just live their life normal, they might smoke a little weed or something like that but they ain't in the street.
Speaker 2:But it's the problem though, people from this generation not giving, I guess, civilians grace.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Like so it ain't nobody safe with the snitch.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm snitching nowadays bro, if you highlight in any type of way whatever they got going on, they on your ass.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Look, it's a difference we talked about this before between snitching and telling.
Speaker 1:I agree. I think that's the thing If you a civilian, you telling, if you a civilian. You telling If you involved in any way, shape or form, in gang activity or the street activity you snitching. Yeah, because it's a code, all right.
Speaker 3:Hold you snitching yeah because, it's a code, all right, hold on. Nah. No, they say go ahead, go ahead, because I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this because a civilian can be a snitch in what situation you feel like in a situation where they snitching on another civilian okay like if, if you like, like you say pretty much you know somebody in apartment building. They know that you have a dog and they just I'm going to go. They have a dog, yeah.
Speaker 1:Your ass is snitching. Okay, I feel that, I feel that. I feel that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Look, I was waiting for the example. I'm like what they doing.
Speaker 1:How they snitching.
Speaker 2:Say three of us in the car you know what I'm saying. And one individual say I got something. You know what I'm saying. Y'all know I have something. We get pulled over. Cop comes to the vehicle and then they pull us out because they smell something, they search it, they find it. I don't own up to it. Y'all say, well, it ain't mine. It ain't mine. Do you think this? I think that's telling because you ain't. You drive snitching. But that's more like telling you ain't snitching.
Speaker 1:See my perspective.
Speaker 2:Because you covering yourself.
Speaker 1:But that's what. And I think that's the problem. Because, again, if so, if I know you and I know you are involved in certain activity I'm shutting up, I'm not saying anything. That's the thing. I'm not saying, a word, I'm not giving. I'm not trying to prove my innocence, I'm not trying to prove your innocence. I'm not going to say anything. First of all, it's their job.
Speaker 2:They got to do their job and investigate right. They got to investigate.
Speaker 1:I'm finna sit here and be like oh Okay, I see you tripping, I ain't seen nothing.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna say something no habla espanol. Yo quiero taco bell. Yo quiero taco bell.
Speaker 1:He's saying shit bro.
Speaker 3:I just feel like why Cause?
Speaker 1:why Nah, bro, I'm sitting there.
Speaker 2:This is stoic. You bet I'm sitting there. This is stoic. Look you better.
Speaker 1:As a matter of fact, I'm finna study American Sign Language right now bro.
Speaker 2:I know what you finna do. You know what I'm saying. We know what we finna do. But I'm saying, in this scenario I feel like, do you feel?
Speaker 3:like that's straight up snitching stuff.
Speaker 2:Or that's telling Because, like I said, we all know each other, right? Yeah, that's telling because, especially like but don't you my take is saying this is snitching. You're saying it's telling. I say it's telling because you're saving yourself and you're like hey, it ain't mine, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're not necessarily saying it's me.
Speaker 1:You're not giving all details. You know what I'm saying? That's dry snitching Go ahead.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say why, tell me, why, tell me, why.
Speaker 3:If all, right now, if it's us three.
Speaker 2:I don't agree with all this, though I'm giving this us three right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Now if we riding in the car and I know y'all history right, mm-hmm, and I know y'all history right, and let's say, bro, the only I ain't even finna, do all that. The only exception is if your ass is going to school and you can't you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get what you're saying. There's certain times where you might fall on the sewer.
Speaker 3:It's like all right bro, I get you doing that. But if you be rolling with me, bro, like we ain't mine, I'm slapping your ass in this jail, bro, we all need to say the same thing.
Speaker 1:That's my thing, because if I say it ain't mine, you say it ain't mine, and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You you ain't taking accountability for you for the stuff you got. That's why I'm gonna be pissed off at you, and if we in the jail what you smacking me for, nigga. You supposed to be Taking accountability For your stuff, bro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I Okay. Now that's a different scenario, even though, like I said, at the end of the day, we all not gonna say nothing. Right, right, right. But.
Speaker 2:What we trying to say For this particular scenario, for people who has done that. You should take accountability For your stuff you got in the vehicle yeah, absolutely, you know I'm saying that's how, and you shouldn't even be putting your homies in that situation to be able to even tell on you. You know I'm saying yeah, you should be looking out for them yeah, but all your homies is on the same type of time and you say, well, it ain't mine, but see, that's the thing.
Speaker 3:But like you got to actually be in the situation to say that because, as the driver, I know how police do. All they're going to do is break us up, and he's just going to start asking us questions.
Speaker 2:And he might ask them before he get to me.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So he got an idea already. Who is it?
Speaker 3:probably yeah, so they're going to go ask everybody else and if y'all don't be quiet and say, if y'all say it ain't mine, then you already giving them an idea of who it is. So it's best to just chill out and then don't say nothing. Let your homeboy, if he don't take the rap, that's when you be like alright, bruh, that ain't mine. Bruh, you know what I'm saying. That's different. Now you ain't taking the rap for your shit. Ay Cause me, I've mind, bro. You know what I'm saying. That's different. Now you ain't taking a rap for your shit, because me. I've been in that situation where I'm in front of the police like bro, we finna bang nigga what's up?
Speaker 2:So it ain't yours.
Speaker 1:I'm looking at you like it ain't yours bro so I'm saying let's say we get pulled over and it's yours. And I'm saying let's say you know what I'm saying we get pulled over and it's yours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, and I'm looking at you like so it ain't yours bro, it ain't yours.
Speaker 3:Nah, you ain't snitching.
Speaker 2:All right, we going to jail, yeah.
Speaker 3:Like yeah, for sure you ain't snitching Because one, the police, not finna. Just be like all right, I'm finna, put it on you. He's been ready to put it on both of y'all, so you not technically snitching because he just finna get fucked up, that's all Like you. You finna fuck him up when you get in the jail, bro.
Speaker 2:Like it ain't yours, cause it's who they choose.
Speaker 3:Hey, you know you gonna be like you gonna be like, bro, I ain't taking no charge right now, but when we get out this month, bro, it's me and you, bro, like in front of here, bro Cause bro, you supposed, you supposed to take that and be like bro, just come get me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You supposed to take that and be like bro, just come get me, bro, Whether you leave your wallet in the car, whatever it is, you know what I'm saying. Like, hey bro, just ba-da-da-da-da. I already know I got a warrant in this city, so they probably going to send me back here. Just come get me from here. I don't understand cash, bro. But that's also why I say be careful who you get in the car with. That's another thing, man, I feel like people be meeting folks and be hopping straight in the whip bro.
Speaker 2:Nigga, be careful who you let in your car, because dudes be dropping off things in other homies' cars, dudes leaving stuff in Ubers bro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right, say that. Scenario One of your homeboys get in the car and you didn't know that it was in your car. But because you're the driver, you're getting ready to go to jail and ain't nobody taking it. Like you're not snitching. If you be like bro, this ain't mine, like who, you know what I'm saying? Like, but you technically can't just go single somebody out either. You can't be like oh well, I think it's bros, he was behind me, you know what I'm saying. You can't do that. You gotta kind of be like.
Speaker 2:that's when the homies going to probably apply that pressure If they my homies for real you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and they know it was the other homies stuff and he ain't taking accountability. If those really your partner, they should be applying their pressure on him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing, bro pressure Everybody, be like man. I like kicking it with them. Nah, y'all need to get into something. That's how you know you can rock with somebody if y'all get into something.
Speaker 3:Now that's when you really you got the right to be pissed off at that person if they ain't speaking up though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but look so, alright. So let's get back to 69 then. When we know or like even Charleston White because when we know or like even even Charleston White cause that's that's modern day, bro when we know, niggas like them is telling what y'all? What should these dudes be doing, bro? How should they be approaching a dude like Charleston White or not approaching a dude like Charleston White? How? Should they be combating these type of people bro.
Speaker 1:For me, niggas like Charleston White. They are fueled by information. We gotta stop giving them type of niggas access them. Niggas be around people who be around people. And so he'd be sitting there witnessing shit. He'd be in rooms that he shouldn't be in so he'd be able to speak on shit he shouldn't be able to speak on, like that's the shit that'd be fucking with me because, like you, can't take one of them type of niggas out unless you're gonna sacrifice yourself or one of your the people.
Speaker 3:You explain something to you if you haven't noticed. Charleston white don't fuck with real gangsters. He did not he did not fuck with von while he was alive. You gotta think about shit like that.
Speaker 1:He don't fuck with no real gangsters, these soldier boys and shit yeah, bro, he a tell on the nigga, though that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:But he don't fuck with him either.
Speaker 1:You saying he don't test them waters?
Speaker 3:No, he, not even finna, go test them waters. He'll test them waters with somebody he know he can get some paper on and shit like that. But he ain't finna go talk shit on no real gangsters.
Speaker 1:Nobody would take his ass out for real, yeah, nah, hell, nah. Like because he didn't talk shit about them too, called all them niggas, little pussy niggas and all this other type of shit.
Speaker 3:That's cool, but I bet you he ain't going to go through motherfucking O-Block. You feel me, yeah, like he could talk all that shit, because?
Speaker 2:That nigga had to pepper spray.
Speaker 3:Big Draco. That's what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying but, so you're trying to tell me. Soulja Boy wasn't applying that pressure.
Speaker 1:Ay Soulja Boy. Crazy though.
Speaker 3:This the thing Soulja Boy walked up on him with, like faux niggas, mm-hmm, you see what I'm saying. Yeah, if I was Charleston White and I had pepper spray and you walking up on me with faux bodyguards, I probably would pepper spray your ass too. Now, if Soulja Boy walked up on him by himself and was like, hey, I want my one, bro, I bet you he probably been like Cat Williams on some shit, like alright, what's up, nigga, let's go around the corner.
Speaker 1:I think his heart be thumping. He understand when he under some real pressure, bro Alright we talking, yeah, but I guess he didn't consider that. You know what.
Speaker 3:I'm saying Think about it. Every time somebody run up on them, they be deep, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like I mean, technically, you got to kind of look it up and see Is pepper spray a weapon? Because if it's a weapon, I probably can shoot your ass while you're sitting here spraying me with some shit and fucking up my vision Because I don't know what you're finna, do bro, it's not a deadly weapon? Yeah, fucking up my vision, because I don't know what you finna do, bro, it's not a deadly weapon, yeah, yeah, but I don't know what you getting ready to do bro Like you, so you feel like it's assault.
Speaker 1:You think I'm a threat, but I don't.
Speaker 3:I wasn't threatening you. So what if you spray me and I pull my shit out and get the dumping at your ass, like am I wrong?
Speaker 1:Let that's force for force.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pray out of mass force. For force, the level of force.
Speaker 1:So like it'd be cool for you to have a spray on that, but not like yeah. You can't see, though. You better keep it on you right back.
Speaker 3:Nah, nigga, because I mean, if it's an open carry state man, my natural reaction would probably be to grab my strap.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:yeah, it probably would be some type of charge behind it because I can't see and I'm firing my weapon, oh yeah, so you know, I'm saying like, yeah, I understand, but it's like, it's like how, how I'm gonna, how I'm gonna match that. But you know what I'm? I'm totally wrong, because pepper spray is a defense thing, so it really you just to get people up off you. However, he's using it in a different way. He's using it as an attack instead of a defense.
Speaker 2:I get that, Nah, when he did it though he was pepper spraying them niggas behind his girl, his wife, though he was behind her, it was like ducking behind her. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:Ah, he really soft Bruh, different kind of soft like that yeah, and he'll snitch at that, but what is okay? So look and he don't care.
Speaker 2:But right, don't care. So that's why I want to talk about, because because it's situation like the young boy king that was around, that dude finesse two times you see a lot of the situation that young boy was in. He shouldn't have been around. That you know. I'm saying you shouldn't have been. So what this dude do he with the saying he shouldn't have been? So what this dude do he want to call CPS and all that he?
Speaker 3:want to go snitch Charles and White, right, okay, you know what I'm saying about the situation.
Speaker 2:But when you know you see that kid and he ain't supposed to be in that scenario, you think what Charles and Did was wrong. Or should he have minded his business, or was it right?
Speaker 3:Yes, he should have minded his business, and the reason why I say that is because he did it so he can laugh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what we think.
Speaker 3:Good reason he ain't doing that shit. Okay, all right, let me ask this Can we just talked about social media and posting shit, right? Did he post it? Did he post about it? Did he say that he did this and blah, blah that boy is posting.
Speaker 2:He was recording himself on live reporting you see what I'm saying but that's what I'm saying though he doing this shit for publicity.
Speaker 3:Bro, like you, he's nothing without some some bullshit, some yeah, some attention yeah, so I'm telling.
Speaker 1:But if you see he been ducked off because not since woody came out now it's been like the spotlight been on him now they feel like he's more. I don't know, I don't know, I guess, why are? You getting the past so much bro, because a lot of people don't understand what he did. A lot of people don't understand like the confusion that he created and like how he approached everything. Some people give him credit for saying that because he created so much confusion. That's what got them niggas off yeah, but he also started it.
Speaker 3:I was just like, no, it's both, it's both the truth is it's both. Yeah, because you started that shit and he finished that shit hold on.
Speaker 2:Hold on because you watched a lot of it, so I wanted to pray, like you know anton to finish the pin. And then I probably said, because you watched more than we did, like I feel like, uh, woody, you know I'm saying, um, he told for sure, yeah, but he found a way to finish the situation to get himself off, to get himself free. You know I'm saying, and then the dudes he was in the situation with off a little bit too. You know, I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But at the end of the day, it's still a black eye on his reputation. It should be, and the reason why niggas don't try him because they know his reputation. You know what I'm saying, so that's what's saving him in a lot of spaces. Go ahead, go ahead, monte.
Speaker 1:So, nah, you finish your. I think that that's the good, that's the perspective on woody. But people didn't understand it because your original question was like why do people give him a pass?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah you know what I'm saying. I think that people give him a pass because they don't understand what actually happened. A lot of people didn't follow the trial, understanding one. He was the one who started it. Yeah, a lot of people came in halfway and they realized oh, he's just playing dumb, he playing stupid. So he could get them up and that's the credit that they ran with the rest of the way.
Speaker 3:And it's funny because he wasn't playing stupid. He lied to get himself out of some situations, so he started putting the blame of some shit that he was involved in on other people to make it seem like it wasn't him. You know what I'm saying? And that's not an honorable man.
Speaker 2:No, not at all so is there somebody you want in your camp? Is there?
Speaker 1:somebody you want in your camp bro.
Speaker 3:Okay, yes or no?
Speaker 1:Nah, yes or no Is there somebody you want in your camp.
Speaker 2:Nigga, hold on, because this the thing. This yes or no.
Speaker 3:Nah, yes or no, if there's somebody in your camp, nigga, hold on, because this the thing. I feel that the reason, the way that he went about it and the people that he chose to tell on or lie on was a bad choice because he was upset at them, you know what. I'm saying, If anything, you put that on some ops, but to my point at that point them was his ops.
Speaker 2:You see what I'm saying. They ops was more thorough than them.
Speaker 3:None of them, boys was telling. That's true.
Speaker 2:So you want.
Speaker 3:Woody in your camp, I mean no.
Speaker 2:Thank you?
Speaker 3:Absolutely not, because one Shooter or not? One. Hey, i'm'm gonna say this I fuck with Woody but I would never he wouldn't be, he wouldn't be my, my partner, or no shit like that.
Speaker 3:You feel me like and and I know if he heard he'd probably be like nigga, I wouldn't be your partner anyway, that's cool you feel me, but I wouldn't be his partner because of the simple fact, bruh, that I wouldn't be his partner because of the simple fact, bro, that was some real sensitive shit right there. You know what I'm saying. But at the same time, like Thugnam should have saw that you know what I'm saying they should have Like, yeah, he go hard in the streets but he go hard behind some sensitive shit. Like nigga, you snitched on some sensitive shit because you ain't, you was mad at another man and you lied on him and got him in the whole rico charge. That got him put behind bars for years, bro, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:And yeah, he wasn't playing stupid on the stand. He was trying to tell them folks, like why y'all keep playing with me? Like y'all know that I was, I was lying in there, miss love. I told you I was lying in there and you keep on got me on the stand doing this stupid stuff it was definitely some entertainment.
Speaker 2:It was entertaining, bro, but at the end of the day, no, I can't play with people.
Speaker 3:Live bro. No, you can't, no, especially when, especially when. You can't no, especially when, especially when I ain't going to put that out there- but, it's. You know what I'm saying. It's crazy when some of the crimes that he committed was you know what I'm saying the reasons why niggas was locked up.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying Because of you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know and, and and on the, and the simple fact that that bro was like nice enough to do stuff for you. Then you kind of took advantage of them and stuff like that but so we?
Speaker 1:I want to. I want to talk about that, though, because it's I feel like, on one part, we want people to snitch, on another part, we don't want people to snitch, right because I feel like okay because, yeah, because, like we've talked about it and we've said, like we tap in this situation yeah, it's cool, yeah, let them know what's going on.
Speaker 1:But in in this situation, nah, that nigga he soft for that. Don't want no nigga like that around me, which is understandable right in his situation. But is it just situational or is it don't snitch period.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. He going to probably say the same shit.
Speaker 2:You want to go first, then boy, or you want me to just go ahead.
Speaker 3:I just feel like alright, the one scenario, or a few scenarios that I feel like gangster, civilian, whatever you are, it's alright to say something is if you see some shit with some kids, you know what I'm saying. If you see anything with some kids, elderly or something like that, you see somebody mistreating them or something, yeah, it's alright to go ahead and pick up that phone, even though it's against your religion to dial 911. It's cool. It's like hey man, look, I got a suspicion. If somebody over there I see kids running in and out of there, you know what I'm saying, because I don't expect no gangster to go handle that. That's kind of against the code.
Speaker 2:What you mean, go handle what?
Speaker 3:Go see what's going on. That's kind of against the code for real. You minding your business Old school.
Speaker 2:If that was my hood, I'm supposed to be knowing what's going on in my hood 2025,. Bro, the gangsta's supposed to be the hood protectors they used to be. That's true, that's true.
Speaker 1:You just said here 2025, all right, but let's, let's be honest. Would you call these new niggas gangsters? Oh like would you qualify?
Speaker 3:them as gangsters? No, because first of all huh, first of all, I'm not even referring to them, because they don't even pay attention enough to be looking like they know they ain't no gangsters, hell no they crash dummies they have, all right.
Speaker 2:they have, yeah, they have no situational awareness. Yeah, you know what I'm saying Straight crash dummies, bro. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's not planned at all. I feel like old gangsters. They used to be at least coordinated.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we had bro old, I say we Old gangsters, bro, like had a code, bro, you bleeped that out.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:We got them I am not gang, I do not gang bang right, I do not gang bang not affiliated in any way, shape or form no, so like, oh, oh, like, oh, geez, like that it was a cold, but you don't, you don't look back in the 80s and 90s back in the 80s and 90s. You know I'm saying like it was, it was straight of cold. Like I remember growing up in the 90s where it was certain people that just couldn't come in our neighborhood like oh geez, hey, man, uh-uh, bro, can't, bro can't come around here. Yeah, it was a it was.
Speaker 3:It was a, a non-visible wall, like they couldn't step foot like and you felt the difference, like the whole block felt when somebody was there they weren't supposed to be like you felt the difference, Like the whole block felt when somebody was there they weren't supposed to be, Yep. Like you felt the presence. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You felt eyes on you, bro Right you looked outside Like hold on the block just changed.
Speaker 1:But even when you stepped in somebody else's love, bro. I'll never forget when I was I rode my bike through Normandy one time. Like I felt it felt different. I was stupid, far away from them. I went through Normandy, the cat came outside. He said what kind of bike is that?
Speaker 2:I ain't never rode my shit so fast.
Speaker 1:Let me see that real quick. Dude literally said hold on, I'm finna, get that motherfucker. Went back in the house. I said you thought I was finna be here. When you got out, he was like I was up, be here. When you got out, nigga, I was up out of there. What are you talking about? I was like nine bro. The dude was grown, he had a beard bro. I'm like this nigga finna toss me up off this mud.
Speaker 2:I was like but look the situational awareness you had.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:To be able to recognize there was a threat in fleet.
Speaker 1:Bro, Like bro was was gonna snatch my bike.
Speaker 3:I was gonna have to walk home all the way from normandy bro, so sorry look here's the situation in u city, bro, like this shit, it fucked me up because, like I like, if you, if you've been listening, like I told you, like one of my cousins, kind of like he, he brought the bloods over to my area, right so, or to you city or whatever, and he might not have, but this is from my knowledge when I was like six, so he did what he did or whatever, and but he had this little crew or whatever, and it's this one dude I cannot remember his name, but he was a little, a little light-skinned, little skinny, shysty dude, bro.
Speaker 3:So, and my partner RIP, my nigga Vernon that stayed down the street um from us or whatever. He, uh his parents, was well off. You know what I'm saying. So he used to always had a games and he had a dyno with some mags on it and man dude say, hey, man, dyno with some mags on it. And man dude say, hey, man, hey, little homie, let me ride that real quick. Man, let him roll that bike. Next thing. You know, we was picking it up with his parents yeah like his parents was in the car they was.
Speaker 3:They was asking oh damn, was I a snitch?
Speaker 2:because I was, I was young, hold on, because I had to think about it oh shit, we're putting parameters on age now oh shit, alright, so check, so check no for real, though, because there's people like 1090J that you know interview, you know, does these stories on people who snitch the rap games right so they would look at things like people, like Fesse two times and other rappers who have told when they were younger yeah, like single digits and 12, you know what I'm saying, yeah so think back at that age. When you were that age, the mindset you had. Would you have known like the code is to keep my mouth shut?
Speaker 1:well, that's kind of how you learn the code. I feel like as a kid you, you mess up and then you. That's how you learn them yeah, and one.
Speaker 3:We missed a step in the in the definition of the snitching part. The snitching has to result in you being behind bars in some type of courtroom or some shit like you saving yourself.
Speaker 3:You gotta save yourself because I'm thinking about what I did and it don't correlate with what we. You know. I'm saying what we define in this snitching, because what happened was he stole the bike. His parents knew that my, they knew who my cousin was, so they would rarely let me in their house, but they also knew who to ask. You know what I'm saying? Who is that? Who took his bike? It was one of your cousin's friends, cool. So I need you to go find out. And I went and asked my mom. I went and told my mom and my mom was like, oh hell, no, we finna find out where he at, because that's a reflection on your family.
Speaker 1:People got to realize that, nah, I'm not finna.
Speaker 2:Let you go running a slid. You were just a tattletale in that scenario.
Speaker 3:Pretty much, well, I mean.
Speaker 1:But that's why Not really? Not really because and like you know what I'm saying Not really because.
Speaker 3:I was asked who is that? And I'm like I don't know, but they was like that's one of your cousin friends. I'm like, yeah, Go find out.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. You more information to gain information like police like yeah, like that's why we supposed to keep our mouth shut. You know, I'm saying because now they get to cut out information and glue it together you know I'm saying to get information so. But that's why I'm saying, as far as earlier, the earlier scenario, it ain't mine that's telling, that ain't snitching because I ain't put nobody behind boys.
Speaker 3:Yeah however, but you saving yourself, exactly. Yeah, but I really wasn't saving myself because from that at that, at that point in time, huh except for my ass whooping no from nobody, because for real like not at all, because I didn't.
Speaker 3:It's not my shit, it's not my bike, it was never my bike to to be. You know they start asking questions. I'm like, oh man, I kind of feel bad that he got his bike took. But this is the one thing that y'all gotta realize, because I'm my cousin's little cousin, I'm the one don't, don't fuck with him. You know what I'm saying. So to me it's like don't fuck with my friend. You know what I'm saying. So, regardless, if I would have went told my mom or my cousin it was don't get handled. You know what I'm saying. Because he's shitting the fuck with my partner, right, you know everybody else is, is is free game these niggas?
Speaker 3:is off limits right so it was a whole messed up situation. To be honest, you know what I'm saying, so I, I, I don't clarify, I don't classify myself as a snitch for that.
Speaker 2:So I never.
Speaker 3:Okay, snitching. You got to sit your ass On the stand and point a nigga out too. That's a snitch.
Speaker 2:Now, nah, cause you ain't gotta Get subpoenaed To go to that court. All they need is you your statement, and then they can corroborate it with evidence.
Speaker 1:So is that? Yeah, but see Giving a statement. I think that's what qualifies you.
Speaker 2:Do you have to get on the stand with giving a statement? Not every time.
Speaker 1:You can give a statement at the scene. They can take statements at the scene. So if something popped off and the police come and you sitting there and you telling them a story while they writing it down. I think that's different. Nah, because?
Speaker 3:I think when you write a statement and you don't show up to court to corroborate that statement, that statement is null and void.
Speaker 2:But listen to what you said. You said right. What about give verbally Like you said at a scene, or something like?
Speaker 1:that, like if something happens, like if they be like oh, y'all saw Tyrone, or I did that. That's different.
Speaker 3:You got to show up for that or it's null and void. That's he say, she say, that's not even it's not, that's not, that's not admissible, it's not evidence.
Speaker 1:Now, if they, if you say so and so did so and so and the gun is so and so I I, yes, hold on like because, because I agree with you, right, but is, are we saying we what we qualify as snitching, or the court system? Because I think that that's different, because I think that if, let's say, the big homie watches you, give that statement to the police, is he going to care that you, finna, go to court, or will he possibly take you?
Speaker 3:out. No, it's over with.
Speaker 2:DP for sure. Dp for sure so.
Speaker 1:I think you automatically a snitch once you give the information, versus whether you corroborate it or not. I think that in the court system, yeah, you got to corroborate and put somebody behind bars. I think that'll get you killed.
Speaker 2:But I think being labeled a snitch in general is just giving that information to the party. The fact is, you know one thing too we talking about this and we trying to find all these loopholes, but these dudes out there in Cali getting cooked on, you know they playing these police games and trying to identify what's this and what's telling.
Speaker 1:That's how they're getting caught up with all this stuff. I feel like that's new age shit. That's because people don't have no code, no more. When there was a code, you understood. You do this, you don't do this. You associate with these people. You don't associate with these people. You go these two streets, don't go to that third street over there, you stay. You stay within these couple of blocks right here, like it was just rules, bro, that's what. That's what we did. Now, people don't care about the rules, but all right, so pivot real quick. I got some scenarios for y'all. So, since we talking back and forth on what we qualify as snitching, I got a question for each one of y'all. Right, so my time start with you. Your little cousin saw something at school. Okay, should she too? So let's say she saw this little girl get stomped out, get her books taken right, mm-hmm. But she know exactly who them girls are. Yeah, now the thing is the other girl who got stomped out she cool, she cool. They got a class together.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Should your cousin say something?
Speaker 3:Should she help that girl out.
Speaker 1:Um, she's in high school, right? I mean she just in school, whether this is college, high school, whatever, because your cousin one.
Speaker 3:All right, how cool is she with this girl? I? Mean I understand she got a class with her.
Speaker 1:I feel like I feel like that shouldn't matter. I feel like her level of friendship with the girl. If she cool with it, she just cool with her. Like I don't know what cool is. Cool could be they sharing snacks.
Speaker 2:They sharing snacks.
Speaker 1:They may not call her friend, because she may have just met her. But they cool, they've been talking for a couple, like a week or so like a minor, minor business.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because that ain't got shit to do with you If they was to approach you, that's totally different. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So if campus security came and asked her a question like hey, we reviewed the footage and we saw you across campus. Did you see anything? I ain't see nothing. Okay, that's what I want to know. I want to know, like, if she put in a situation where, like nope, she got to say something like, even though she know clearly who the girl who got stomped out and she know the girls who did it nope, don't say because here's what you're doing.
Speaker 3:If you listening to us right now, picture a chess board. Boom, you got that one girl. Put that one piece right there. Boom, you got these three chicks. That's jumping her. Put the three pieces on the board. You know what you just did? By saying something. You took a piece that wasn't even supposed to be there and put yourself on that damn board. Stay out the situation. You don't even want to be in the. We don't want to be on the board. You don't want to be seen.
Speaker 1:I ain't got nothing to do with that what if it was your daughter who got stumped up? Would you have wanted somebody to say something?
Speaker 3:of course I don't wanted somebody to say something, but at the same time my daughter know who did it, so for me they're gonna get fucked up, man nah, hold on, I take seeds to see something say, something signs and just laughs no if you see something, say something see something, do something right, different reaction
Speaker 3:I saw in a situation. If I I would see some, if I saw something, I would say something. If I saw, like I have seen bags at the airport, unattended, or at train stations and stuff like that, and I've, I've said something hey, hey, y'all, think y'all can check that out real quick, like it's just sitting there and they've been sitting there since I've been sitting here, so I think y'all can check that out, and then somebody will come get they bag type of thing. You know what I'm saying. So I've done that. But I'm not the type of person who you see something, say something. I'm riding down the street. Somebody get shot. I see them. Damn. I'm like, oh, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:If he stop moving, bro, I'm gone so now I was getting ready to ask and this scenario quick, because I know you, finna, ask me something and so we need to cook you on something real quick Now. So you're walking outside the convenience store, gas station or something, and you hear a woman say, hey, stop. You hear footsteps. He has my purse. What are you going to do? Are you going to mind your business, you going to say anything, or are you going to intervene?
Speaker 1:Nah, that person gone. So, um, I'm and it's the thing like I'm pretty, I'm pretty big on helping people out, like if I got the ability to, I'm definitely gonna help somebody out. But in that type of situation I don't know what he got, I don't know who he is like and I got a family to get back to so like I don't think it's necessarily smart to involve myself in that now. It's hard right, because if the situation would have to present itself the right way? So let me, let me tell you exactly.
Speaker 2:you walking out the store yeah, she's parked in the handicapped section, which you know is going to be right in front, right. So when you come out the store, it's to the point where that guy is running towards you, so he's going to run past you. You're going to step back, you're going to tackle him. What are you going to do? You're just going to let it ride.
Speaker 1:I'm probably going to back up and hit the meanest sweep that you've ever seen in your motherfucking life. I'm probably going to step back and sweep the shit out of his shit and then move about my motherfucking business. But after that, like it's just, I don't know, I just feel like. I feel like he, he punked me, Like. I feel like, like, like if he run past me and I'd be like, oh, Move little nigga Right.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, are you okay? Are you okay? He running directly towards you, move little nigga I. You okay with that?
Speaker 2:He running directly towards you. No, bro.
Speaker 1:I feel like he finna catch a smooth clothesline elbow. I'm finna trip this dude something man I don't know, I feel like I'm not gonna do this Falcon punch.
Speaker 3:Bro, but you know what that reminds me of. Now is your natural reaction gonna be to move out the way.
Speaker 1:I know that's what I'm saying, my natural, but asking me that I feel like, I feel like this is my thing.
Speaker 1:It made me think because I've I've seen this before and I just remember where spider-man, the very first spider-man, yeah, yeah, bro, like I remember that, because when uncle ben, that's what remember, uh he had let the criminal go, and then that was saying dude, but anyway that's why I chuckled but I think, when I think about it though, bro, I feel like I would, I would legit probably trip, because I, I know me, it's calculating, like I know, I know You're going to put that foot up, I'm going to calculate, yeah, especially if he like, if he got time, like he legit like running up past me, like it's like a few seconds, like I'm probably going to move, like you said initially, but I'm probably going to like leave my foot out the way like a damn door.
Speaker 3:I do not have a badge.
Speaker 1:I feel you, bro. I don't know, it's just something about that situation.
Speaker 3:I just nah, I be trying to tell you I don't give a damn about what's going on with other people. Bro, if it happened to my people or something like that, like like my wife's stuff got stolen yeah, we was out on the on the prowl. You feel me like that's.
Speaker 2:That's different I don't care about it, we did our own investigation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, bro, I don't care about nothing else that be happening, like if it was somebody that you know or you know, yes, I got.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but y'all know how I am. So my own scenario like that yeah, I'm he getting tackled. Yeah, like yeah, he getting all all that work. That's what I'm saying like I probably rob him too and then I'm gonna give her the purse back and I probably, you know, check his pockets.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think about that all the time I mean, okay, now here's here's, here's the dilemma with even though I just got a. But no, you probably wouldn't, because here's the dilemma between us two and you. You would train for things like that. That's all right, you know what I'm saying, so you would naturally try to stop them by any means necessary, because you, if somebody was, because you naturally protect people. Protect my country, hey, but he naturally.
Speaker 2:No country I don't care about that I know.
Speaker 3:But so here's the how could I say the psychological piece to that you no longer feel like you have to protect your country, but you feel like you have to protect those close to you, so that that thing that she was close she's in my vicinity, huh.
Speaker 2:So this woman would be in my vicinity, so I would feel obligated to protect her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mmhmm, cause you told me something today. I was like I was like that just made me just know that you naturally a protector when you was like old babe was riding in the car and dude was fidgeting or whatever and you was, and the reason why you were more on his ass was because she was in the car. So it was kind of like, yeah, because you, because for real for real you.
Speaker 3:I feel like you was with her, but you was kind of like not with her, like I, and like mentally I don't think you was. You was kind of like not with her, like mentally, I don't think you was trying to help her, but you was kind of like man, I'm done with this, hey, nah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, straight up, that's real. Because, yeah, in that scenario, I was definitely obligated to because, like I said, she was in the car with me. Yeah, so you got to go back home.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 2:Nah, yeah, because I can't have that.
Speaker 1:But go ahead.
Speaker 2:So you got to go back home. Yep, Nah, yeah, because I can't have that Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Ant, I know you probably had a question for me. Yeah, I got a question for you. You can't get up out of this, all right. So let's say you were in there with one of your regulars, right, you were in there cutting dude's head, doing y'all thing, y'all having a cooler conversation. It get to the point where dude legit start confessing that you know, back in the day he murdered a couple people. You know they never, nobody ever found out, nobody ever did nothing or said nothing. You know he just letting you, letting you know what's up. You know I'm saying so. You couldn't have heard that you say anything. No, you you telling anybody no Nah.
Speaker 1:Even that to yourself. Yeah, even if it's like an open murder, you know, like Absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2:That's even more, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Because ain't no statute of limitations on a body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I don't know it's not Nah.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, I'm in trouble, Straight up.
Speaker 2:Ain't nothing on murder, ain't no statute of limitations On time. You know what I'm saying For that. But yeah, nah, I'm keeping my mouth shut, cause who's to say he's saying all this information To test me, cause he know who he told it to. You know what I'm saying. Now I put myself in a situation I go tell he know who he told it to. Now I'm a target. You know, now I put a target on my family. He knows where I work. Now he can watch when I come and go and track down where I stay. I'm sorry, I'm thinking, I'm thinking out how I think so no, I mean.
Speaker 1:But that's smart because again, people listening don't think about those, that those consequences. They're like no, that's what's right, they don't trip off of. Oh, you could put you, or your family in danger.
Speaker 2:The snitching has been put in the fear of the black community Because you're telling them. People in your community, we know where you stay.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying, you know the Ripper cousins of this possibly. So that's why people you, I'm saying keep their mouth shut. You know they try to abide by the street rule of no snitching the best way to stay safe so I guess I want to ask y'all this real quick is this something you're going to teach your kids, what? What will you teach your kids about snitching and telling?
Speaker 3:um, I okay, I'm not gonna teach my kids the things that I know about snitching. I'm gonna teach them the basics about snitching and I'm gonna allow them to handle it how they see fit, because it's their life now. I'm gonna give you the tools to go out here and not, but, like I always say, like I said before, if you ain't in it, you good and. But we see, we in a different scenario too, because we have two protectors, or three protectors that are in close vicinity. He, anytime there's an issue, especially if it's going to be an issue with my kid, I'm calling they uncle first, and both of y'all for real. I'm going to call both of y'all on FaceTime or some shit like that. But that's the thing. You got those type of people behind you, so do what you feel is right. I got you type of thing. But it's like, if they're, if they civilians, they civilians that's my definition now when it comes to today's society and they just feel like she snitched and they feel like that they gotta come after then. Now they have, now they have consequences as well.
Speaker 3:So, snitching, I'm gonna teach them the basics. I'm not gonna teach them like, hey, this, this, if you're a gangster, like what we just talked about, like nah, that's not. If you see something, say something. If you get in trouble, and you doing it too, you don't say nothing to nobody. That's that's, that's basics, right there, you know what I'm saying? Like, don't snitch on yourself, don't snitch on yourself, don't snitch on nobody else if you doing something. But if you not doing anything and you saw something and you feel like that was wrong and the police asked you a question, go ahead and tell them that you got my permission, you got straight up. Go do that.
Speaker 2:No, but you ain't.
Speaker 1:What you feel like you're going to teach your children when they come of age about snitching and telling them how they should go about it. I think it starts with. For me personally, I think it starts with morals, right. So I think growing up, what helped me was initially being taught don't betray your friends. Stay true to your friends. You know what I mean. If you're going to be around somebody, make sure that they solid. I think that that's what helped me initially that's the thing too.
Speaker 2:I don't know because you walk. That's an aspect we talked about with with this mission is with your friends and trust yeah, yeah, that's big bro because if you're doing like you said, you're doing things around your friends, you trust them to not even be in situations that they can tell on you. You know what I'm saying, right? So do you trust them and your friends enough to keep your mouth shut?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I think that's my thing right, because, first of all, that's why I said that I think that initial trust is what points. That's why I don't like using the word friend like that.
Speaker 1:Because in my opinion, you shouldn't even have to ask yourself if you trust your friends. Like the whole friend title comes with trust. You know what I mean. Like I'm not going to call you my friend and if y'all ever trip off how I talk, whether you on this podcast or you know me in real life I don't really use that term like that I might say homie, I say homie, I say partner.
Speaker 1:I might be like oh yeah, that's the homeboy from work or like that's something that I don't call my friends yeah, like I don't call people like legit, like all, but not even family, because it's definitely some friends I didn't had over the years that I qualify as family members. So it's like nah, we, you, you got to do something, we got to be going through something. You ain't just known me for a little bit of time. We didn't have some rough patches. We'd have been into a situation that could have caused one of us to break and and you didn't. You know what I'm saying and that's how I know that we can move forward more, so gonna focus on the value system, morals impact.
Speaker 1:So, like, yeah, for sure. Like for me, it's like, even with the snitching things, specifically when you, when you talk about that, like, let's say, my daughter came like hey, I got this and it's messing with me, I feel like I should say something. We're going to discuss the impact. What do you feel like is going to happen with this If you say something, versus if you don't say something? What do you feel like the impact is going to be? And that's how I feel like you weigh out if you're going to talk or not Like, what's the impact of this situation?
Speaker 1:This it? Uh, I'm not taking no rap for you, nigga, yeah, you know what I'm saying. But if it's vice versa, and I see you, you getting your life together, we do, we was just doing some stupid shit, but you can't afford to go back to jail, then I might hit that. You know what I'm saying. I might go ahead and take that on the chin just because I might do a couple months, right, you, you know, I mean, if you get caught up, that's, that's automatically a few years. So I'm just like it's. It's based on what's about to happen. Yeah, based on this situation.
Speaker 3:It's the same with me. So there's one thing that I'm going to say that's a little different, because I don't trust nobody with certain shit. So it depends on what I'm getting ready to do. Yeah, depends on what I'm getting ready to do. Yeah, that nobody's going to know, because I don't trust that if we did get in this room, that there's a possibility that they are able to trick you out of the truth, or to trick you into saying something about me, or to incriminate yourself.
Speaker 1:So no, so intelligence is a factor too, like you, got to be like no, for real. Yeah, you feel like your homie might be a little slow and he might be, he might get tricked out of it.
Speaker 3:Not even that it's people that just don't know how the police operate just green it's not even that, bro.
Speaker 2:It's certain people that just like, like you might get, you could be smart as hell, but then, like you said, you mess up in that room, bro I'm telling you, like some people don't know, don't write a statement okay at all, but that's what I was finna say.
Speaker 1:I was finna say drop some gems because, like I don't think the people who listen to know what we talking about well, that's the first key.
Speaker 3:Now, when you know the first key is shut the fuck up. You know what I'm saying we mean that.
Speaker 2:We mean that because it's gonna save you out of some BS too, like cause the thing about police. They like to play them games and they can try to pin stuff on you. Just keep your mouth shut. You didn't say nothing. You know what I'm saying. So they can't use anything against you. They have to do their job cause.
Speaker 3:I don't know what it's called, I keep forgetting the name of it, but when they tell you that everything you say can and will be used against you, miranda rights, do not Miranda rights.
Speaker 2:We have the right to.
Speaker 3:And, on top of that, like a lot of people, don't even be tripping off of it. They don't be reading you your rights, bro. That's a violation, bro. Like they need to, they have to read the Miranda rights to me. Yo, we should have got them shit.
Speaker 1:Them cases came out.
Speaker 3:bro the thing about it is, bro, you don't have no lawyer for certain shit. Bro, when they arresting you for a traffic stop, you got wants or whatever. You ain't. You know what I'm saying, and it's in St Louis. You know what I'm saying, but that's besides the point, what. What we want to do is drop a few gems about, like, what you need to do when you in a certain situation, and one thing is be quiet, don't keep talking, don't even answer their questions. Say I want a lawyer, even if you ain't got no money for the lawyer, like court appointed lawyers will be provided for you. However, don't tell them shit either, because they work for the court, so you need to in that process, you need to be figuring it out.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So that's, that's the first tip. The second one is, when you get in that room, when they slide you a paper and a piece of pen and a piece of paper, don't write nothing on there, don't write what happened, don't write your name on it, don't do nothing. You know what I'm saying because one of my partners I'm throw a situation out there the police wrote a statement and he signed it and guess what he did years behind that and that was just green of him. You know what I'm saying. But he didn't know. He ain't know Like. All he thought is they was writing up what happened because, like you said, verbally, he told them what was going on. They wrote down what they wanted to write. He didn't read it, but he signed it, thinking that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:But that goes to that's elementary right there we got to teach our kids like don't be signing nothing you ain't read. Don't sign nothing you haven't read.
Speaker 1:It's a bad habit because we do it all the time Tablets, phones, any electronic device, new video games, anybody reading all them terms and conditions and we move on. But we don't trip off of the fact that we selling pictures, we selling our information, we telling them yeah, you can download my email and sell it to the third party.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like bro, like it's crazy, but alright. So I know we've talked a lot about snitching, but I want to make sure that we lead the people with something Like what's something you want the people to know. Like about snitching, specifically, what's something you want to make sure that we lead the people with, so if they don't remember nothing else, this is something they can walk away with, I'm just sure with it, because I'm a firm believer of you.
Speaker 2:See something, say something like react. You know what I'm saying. If you can prevent harm from being done to other people around you, prevent it. You know what I'm saying, because it can bleed over to you. You know. You don't know if this person targets them and then now they see you in the vicinity and they're not, now they're going to target you. You know I'm saying. So if I feel like you should see something, you say something. You know. Protect the people around you, but think about the scenario and make it. Make sure you're going to make it home to your family. You know I'm saying, though, over exert yourself and you can't make.
Speaker 3:Make it back to your family, your, your loved ones I rock with it and see to counter that and I and I'm not trying to make this a debate like this this is is just how I feel we can another time, yeah, another time. But you know how I feel about the situation. You should see, if you see something, say something. That's what I encourage. However, that is not how I approach things, you know, because I do think about making it home to my family. So I ain't saying you trying to say the word.
Speaker 3:This has had nothing to do with bro over here. This is just my personal opinion about myself. I ain't trying to say the word. You know what I'm saying. The thing is I've had bad things happen to me and nobody said anything. They watched and stuff like that. And not that I want to do the same to other people, but sometimes stuff happens and you know it might be your turn for stuff to happen. I'm not sure, but, like when I'm walking by, it ain't my role to intervene. So if you see Mate Carleon, don't expect him to help. You know I'm saying that's just, that's just me. I'm not trying to say the world, I'm not trying to help nobody unless I know them and if I care for them, because that situation could be the end of my life and it's ironic that you said that, because mine is also countering yours slightly, right, but uh, it's only and it's based off what you said at the end too.
Speaker 1:so, like for me personally, we, the code that we used to when they come to snitching.
Speaker 1:It was created out of fear, and when we, when we, even when we talk about it, most of our responses are I want to make sure I get home to my family, I want to make sure I survive, I want to make sure don't nobody catch me family, I want to make sure I survive, I want to make sure nobody catch me slipping, and I think that that's unfortunately the mentality that holds us back a lot Like just black people in general, I think that we still in survival mode, like we haven't learned to like step outside of.
Speaker 1:I'm ready for action, no matter what. You know what I mean. I feel like we live in a world where we're little. We, we feel like we always got to be on go mode. So, like what, I think my, my desire is to build like a healthy family that don't even have to worry about shit like that, like being in a situation where you even have to snitch, because we all know that the true definition, the true essence of snitching is we break the law together and to save yourself, you throw me under the bus. That's the real definition of snitching.
Speaker 2:That's what we talk about. That's when it becomes not honorable.
Speaker 3:The short version, not the whole podcast version, just the short version.
Speaker 1:Right, that's how we grew up. That was the first definition we all learned. We was all knicker-knocking how you going to go tell your mama it was all of us. How you going to go tell your mama. It was all of us. How you going to go throw my name in the pot, like it was stuff like that. You know what I'm saying. We didn't egg somebody's house and we didn't TP somebody's tree in their front yard and you didn't saw us and you didn't told your people, like, come on, bro, like, come on, like that was what we learned.
Speaker 3:So I would want snitching. I think it does get a little gray.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm saying after you get at that. After that, like I said, get blurred. Yeah, it get real fast. Like I said, it's different when it's a third party versus somebody in your family or in your circle. You know, I mean the rules change a little bit because now you want people to speak up, you want to know what's going on if people quiet. Now you pissed that people ain't saying nothing. You know I'm saying so. It's like, yeah, and I think that that's the thing.
Speaker 1:So again, just for my gym, remember that. Like it's based off where you at your environment. If you in the streets, if you, you got a code to live by, something that you need to understand when it comes to snitching, if you live in a healthy environment you got two parents at home, big old house, you know driveway, everybody got a car you should probably separate yourself from that environment because you don't live like that. They. That code don't apply to you. You know what I mean. So that's what I got for y'all. Anything else y'all want to say to the people before we get up out of here, man?
Speaker 2:Just face this up. Y'all Just be aware of what's going on around you.
Speaker 1:All right, I rocks with that. So, y'all, we are coming to a close on this Trophies podcast, so make sure y'all tuning in, make sure y'all subscribe, make sure y'all paying attention on Apple Podcasts, spotify. If you got Instagram, follow us there and keep our eyes out for some visuals that'll be coming soon. All right, y'all. This is your boy, ant, here with Unique Amante Corleone who's here? This has been the Trench to Trophies podcast. We out, baby, baby.
